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i want some people's opinion on this:
wouldnt we all agree that all-motor is a true test of our(though weak) motor?

i understand that there are those that want that quick boost when you are racing someone, but when you say you run a certain e.t, shouldnt you say what your car runs without NOS?

turbos, of course, are a whole nother issue. i hope we dont turn this thread into an all-motor/turbo issue.

so what do you guys think?

 
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Not to say im 100% against nos, but in a way nos is bs way out. Once the bottle runs out so does the horsepower. Are you going to tell a guy at the local street races "Hey i'll race you tomorrow when i get the bottle filled up again!" He will laugh at you. Dont get me wrong nos can be a good thing when combined with forced induction or extensive all motor work. But just putting nos a car with simple bolt-ons is just asking for a major breakdown in the long run and is a chep way to race. Just my opinion though.

mike

 
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I'm just counting the days for when forged high compression pistons, rods and Cranks come out for our car.. after that my friends dad owns a machine shop that specializes in automotive parts.. FUll Head job.. new cams.. Reinforced head bolts..

then a 50 Shot of NOS for fun [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG]..

Cheers
Mohawk

 
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I have to agree with "Blah" on this one. NOS is just a cheap way to kill your engine. Ive known lots of guys who have killed their engine with nitrous. Just be careful, and be prepared to replace some major components in your block if you continue to use it.

 
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Going all motor would be fun to try. Especially if you could fabricate your own parts. Armed with the correct specifications and CNC machining you could make some trick stuff. I bet that you could achieve around 220 horsepower with the right combination of engine parts. Hopefully manufacturers will come out with some engine internals soon. I'm going the turbo route myself, so I hope to find some nice low compression pistons, new valves and valves springs and valve rocker arms, new piston rods (aluminum would rule), and a thicker head gasket made out of something that can withstand the higher pressures. Maybe new piston rings too (if they could help in sealing the combustion chamber). Maybe thicker viscosity oil too to help protect from wear and tear?

Anyway, it's all about raising the compression when you go all motor. You'll probably need to run high octane fuel to avoid detonation. Getting rid of resistence might free up a few ponies as well. Whether that be to upgrade the valve rockers, or the piston rings, or the intake, or the exhaust, or the header, or the pullies, or even the oil.

 
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Oh ya Ill feel really bad when I kick the schit outta your all motor pile of slow with my NX powered sleeper. Watch for me, Ill be the one ahead of ya with your girls face in my lap[IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG]
By the way NOS is a brand name for a holley owned company. Try growin a fuggin brain before you talk.[IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-puke.gif[/IMG]Nitrous Haters[IMG]i/expressions/moon.gif[/IMG] If you can read you can learn the truth about how nitrous works here

 
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First off i just say nos because its easier than typing nitrous oxide. And i know how nitrous works trust me. Lets see though an ad promoting nitrous from guess what a nitrous kit seller. Do you think they are going to tell you "Yes you will blow your block up if you use it consistently" They want to sell you the product period!! They dont give a damn if you blow your motor a month later, they got their money thats important. So go ahead and use your nitrous. I'll wave out of my window to you while your crying over the repair bills at the mechanic.

mike

 
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Dude, nitrous increases cylinder pressure by chemically adding oxygen into the A/F mix. then you add more fuel since more O2 lets you burn more of it. The fact that nitrous goes into the intake charge so cold means you can put even more fuel in since cold O2=dense O2. Nitrous is only used at wide open throttle at over approx 3000 RPM (unless your a moron). All this is exactly what a super/turbo does only it does it all the time creating more stress on engine components the nitrous. Super/turbochargers also require a mechanical force to drive them which sucks up some power making the engine less efficient and adding frictional heat into the equation which fatigues parts even faster. Any, repeat ANY performance mod you make to your engine generally reduces engine life but nitrous WHEN USED PROPERLY is the most efficient and safest of all forced induction. Ive used nitrous on my race cars and street cars for years and have yet to have any engine failures. So once again pull yer head outta yer [IMG]i/expressions/moon.gif[/IMG] and try to learn before you speak.[IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-disgusted.gif[/IMG]

And by the way I do all my own work on my cars, I dont trust mechanics. Once you learn how things work you would be suprised what you are capable of maintaining and modifying.

 
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First off how can you say a turbo works in the same manner as nitrous. With a turbo all your adding is a much higher volume of cold dense air. Your not adding anything to be combusted. Secondly, how can nitrous be safer than a turbo or sc running NORMAL levels of boost?? The only way your going to blow a motor on a turbo or sc is turning up the boost to levels the internals cant handle which is fault of the DRIVER not the product. With nitrous things can go smoothly for a few months than all of a sudden that day is gonna come when you run to lean. Yes the same can happen with turbo or sc but not as often again IF your running normal levels of boost which on our cars is only gonna be 4-8 psi. But yes you are right any kind of forced induction will reduce the life of any moter, but with nitrous its bound to happen sooner than later. But again like you said its up to the driver. People think you can just slap on a 100 shot and whoop on any car and its 100% safe. My whole point, nitrous can be SOMEWHAT safe if used responsibily and not consistently so good luck and be safe and thanks for an intelligent conversation on here!! Those have really been lacking lately!!

mike

 
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Nitrous- Releases a specific amount of extra O2 into the intake charge so you can add extra fuel to burn to make more power,

Super/turbocharger- Adds a specific amount of positive manifold pressure which in turn packs more air into the combustion chamber which lets you add more fuel to burn to make more power.

They work in the exact same way. The amount of fuel you can completely burn in an engine is directly related to the amount of power you make. No you cant put a 1000 shot on a stock internal engine but yes you can run a 50 or 75 horse shot very safely with no problems. Nitrous is not flammable or explosive and I think thats what you dont understand. When it is heated the nitrous molecules seperate releasing the O2 into the cumbustion process which lets you burn more fuel. Nitrogen which is the other chemical seperated is not combustable and is simply swept out with the exhaust. Im sorry I was callous earlier in my post but beleive me, I litterally have used nitrous on every car Ive had (except my wifes 89 ford tempo, I got rid of that POS before I had a chance to juice it) for many years now and have never had any problems. Nitrous is a much more controlable method of power adding than almost anything out there and people should not be afraid of it just because of old wives tails that "NOS blows up engines". It dosent, morons blow up engines. And its definately not cheating.