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uh only the saturn vue redline has the honda v6.

 
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if you guys look at the first page i already said "my bad" and why do you hate me so much? i mean its not like i did something to you. relax. i bet your the biggest mazda fanboy ever, and im not hatin on you for it. get off my
and if you want to have a real arguement then we can do it without you cursing at me.

 
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Actually it doesn't, it has a GM 3.5 L V6 (3500). It amazes me sometimes how a little information (Honda engines in the VUE ONLY) can get so distorted

 
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My bad, I forgot the SS, it's the Malibu Maxx SS. It orginally was going to have a 300hp 3.5L from the 3.5RL, but I guess GM dropped that. It not distorted info, the car isn't even out yet (I mean the SS version), and I saw the freaking thing with 300hp at the auto show a year ago, and it looked exactly like the 3.5RL engine, but I guess GM, decided 300hp was to much, so they just bumped the stock one up to 240hp and call it the SS now.

 
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uuuummm no the 2.2l eco tech is the n/a motor the ion redline and cobalt ss have a destroked 2.0l ecotech. they are quick little cars and gm actaully makes gobbs of factory parts for them that can get you into the 1000hp range. the bottom end on those cars are really stout and can take a lot of boost. i own a 2.2l s10 and am a forum member on s10forum.com and also jbody.org. both have a lot of useful info on that motor. id check out j-body.org if you really paln to get one.

 
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yes ok, welcome to last week. god damn people lay off the guy. he's already been corrected 300 times and he's already admitted that he was incorrect and did not know.

i expect to see/hear no more on this subject.

 
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1000hp on the cobalt SS? that one I'd like to see proof of.....

 
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that is prostock cars. lingenfelter has a 1000+hp ecotec in a s10. i think it runs 8's ill look up some info for you on both, what most street guys are running and also some info on the late lingenfelters vehicles. he work hand in hand with gm to produce some pretty nutty motors and parts. ill dig some up so you can see. its really a great platform to work from.

 
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I have seen 300-400hp crate motors for the SS.. they are drag motors, obviously..and no 1000hp no way I will just say no way,your being to nice s2000man

 
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http://www.gm.com/cgi-bin/pr_display.pl?4045
you know i have read thousands of articles posted and i cant seem to find a single one.. but gm has just put out a tuner guide for the ecotec. this is a link to the book. in stock form you can produce 400hp from what gm states. this book gives you a complete list of parts and how to get 1000hp out of a eco tec. is that good enough. before lingenfelter died they were working on a 1200-1400hp ecotech and had sucessfully run a 7 sec. pass in a s10 equiped with a ecotec motor and 6 sec passed in rwd conversion compacts(sunfire, cavalier)

 
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article posted above show prostreet ecotecs running 7's and 6's with 1000+hp. the link below is just a pdf of gm's tuner guide to achieve that hp with an ecotec
http://www.gm.com/company/gmtunersou...build_book.pdf

 
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lol i usually do try the suttle approach first.

 
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yeah but at that point you can hardly even call that the same engine. it's not like a vette you built up and then turbo'd. it's a completely different engine. not to mention you're talking tube frame cars.

when you say a cobalt SS can make 1000hp, i'm talking about a street driven car. not a professional tube frame dragster. that's not even a cobalt at that point.

there are street driven vettes, supras, etc, that make 1000hp.

 
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yeah but they are dyno and trailer queens even they are hardly ever street driven. you said it wasnt do able. well it is. even though they are straight motor you show me one honda street car making 1000+hp and street driven. the whole purpose of build a motor with that much power is to get it down the track. in stock form you can make 400hp in an ecotec. that is as good as a 4g63. to have a stock rotating assembly be able to hold 400hp is pretty gnarly. that itself shows that the motor is capable of much more. read the article i posted and take a look at the gm tuner guide link i posted.

if you read my post i never stated that it was in a stock cobalt or sunfire. i stated that gm makes parts that can put them into the 1000+ hp range. which is exactly what i proved here. no argument there!

you may think it rediculous but really the cars you posted are trailer queens or dyno queens. so it not really fair to compare the 2 either. and i am talking 4cyl 1000+hp monsters. not 6cyl 2jz-gte's or ls1-6's v8's. big difference there. those cars produce much more hp and are much more performance oriented to begin with

 
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the n/a eco tech isnt anyhting to mess with either. on a stock motor and head @9-10 psi 220whp is easily attainable

 
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yeah I just read that today(destroked to 2.0) . I am familiar with jbody.org and probally still a member. Crazycav was my name. Had a slow *** blinged out gangsta auto 01 Cavy(my first new car).

 
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As I said, you can hardly call that a 2.0 liter ecotec, much less a cobalt SS. YOU made it sound like "oh if you buy a cobalt SS you can get to 1000hp no problem with all these parts they offer". And that simply isn't the case.

Show me one cobalt that is making 1000hp and is street driven.

Oh, so you just "left out" the fact that it wasn't in a cobalt or sunfire.

A. this discussion was about the cobalt AND its engine.

B. the cars YOU are talking about are not even cobalts/sunfires at the point they are making 1000hp, and their engines hardly qualify as the 2.0liter ecotec anymore.

C. you can take ANY CAR and make 1000hp if you are willing to put it into a tube frame, dump thousands of dollars into it, and do whatever it takes.

why? because your 1000hp cars are NOT trailer or dyno queens?

my point is, again, you made it sound like he could buy a cobalt and make 1000hp on it no problem. what relevance does your tube frame, rebuilt every other run race engine have to do with what he's looking at? hell what do they even have to do with this thread?

 
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lol. n/a and psi don't belong in the same sentence.

n/a = naturally aspirated

psi = forced induction

 
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by the way. this shows you what PARTS you need to HANDLE 1000hp. it doesn't actually show you how to acheive the 1000hp. and in fact, of the cars it mentions in the 600-1000hp sections, none of them are making 1000hp. and they are hot rod class tube frame dragsters. lol.

so that takes me back to my original question

yeah. those hot rod dragster tube frame cars are just as much a cobalt, as is stephen papadakis dragster is to a civic.

 
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and this one:

yeah. 1000hp on METHANOL. lol. so please, tell me what a 1000hp race prepped methanol dragster has to do with my original question of "show me a cobalt SS that's making 1000hp".

 
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I am also look ing at some other cars now since i am refinancing my house and about to sew on another stripe wed. $$$, but insurance is a biiaaaatch. I am 24 with a clean record too. Louisiana is a crap hole for insurance rates. Might have to hold on to the civic for a few more months until I turn 25.

My car, 2004 Civic DX= 1230 per 6mo

S2000= 2124 per 6mo really want one bad but $354 a month F-that!!!!

RSX Type S= 1978 per 6mo

RSX base=1617 per 6mo

GTI 1.8t= 1477 per 6mo

 
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wow you are getting RAPED on that S2000 quote. I pay $10 more a month for my S2000 than I did my civic.

 
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should go down to $1374 per 6mo when I turn 25 for S2k

civic will only be $793 per 6 mo hmmm

 
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you are gettin raped on the civic too,i pay 100 a month. anyway back to the subject, saturn is a questionable car cause there are people who swear by them, and people who hate them.

 
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why do all the newbs flock to the domestic car threads like I stated

 
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ill give ya a newb.

 
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not even worth it youll just go on some other tangent on how your right and everyone else is wrong. wake up!!!

 
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Yes S2000man01 just got to be a site admin because he was sleeping in daze

I've been here for a long time, had even a few different names, and I have noticed S2000man01 always backs up what he says with facts and sites, he's a very good researcher. You on the other hand show a link to a drag car and say that engine can be put into a street driven car (note a small differance between tube frame cars and unibody cars). Who needs to wake up here?

 
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hahah see i never once stated that the cobalt or the redline was making those #'s. my exact quote was " gm makes parts that can put it(the ecotec) into the 1000hp range" now if your reading too far into it then your sleeping. i never once said that the cobalt or redline can produce 1000+hp. you guys are putting words into my mouth. and it doesnt mater, all you guys are looking for is an argument. that is all i ever see out of s2000kman. he wants to be right and prove everyone else wrong. i take it he does this to make himself feel like he is above that person he speaks to. i find it utterly rediculous that no one person can state anything on this site w/o having their post ripped apart by some guy who is acting like a know it all. there are other platforms besides a f20c that can make good power. so just keep tearing apart people posts to find a minute detail that you construed out of a post and exploit it to make yourself seem above someone else. i havent been a member here very long and from this kind of treatment and the treatment i see him deliver to others some times i probably wont be here too much. i would much rather be in a forum that people can post and not get torn into by s2kman for him misinterpreting a post. so say what ever you want i wont reply. i refuse to be a part of your childish games. i save a lot of what i had to say before from my previous post. i edited it becase i didnt want to get into it. i am not the argumentative type. but you guys are really something else. its nothing but childish bickering and pointing fingers. grow up!!!!!

 
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amazing it really is. its hard to fathom how a simple statement can turn into t ahuge argument over me proving facts. which i did and it still isnt good enough. well i should have known that from the other threads i read of him doing the same thing. way over it. ill just sit back and laugh now. no need to carry this on anymore.