Originally Posted by familycar

hahah see i never once stated that the cobalt or the redline was making those #'s. my exact quote was " gm makes parts that can put it(the ecotec) into the 1000hp range" now if your reading too far into it then your sleeping. i never once said that the cobalt or redline can produce 1000+hp. you guys are putting words into my mouth. and it doesnt mater, all you guys are looking for is an argument. that is all i ever see out of s2000kman. he wants to be right and prove everyone else wrong. i take it he does this to make himself feel like he is above that person he speaks to. i find it utterly rediculous that no one person can state anything on this site w/o having their post ripped apart by some guy who is acting like a know it all. there are other platforms besides a f20c that can make good power. so just keep tearing apart people posts to find a minute detail that you construed out of a post and exploit it to make yourself seem above someone else. i havent been a member here very long and from this kind of treatment and the treatment i see him deliver to others some times i probably wont be here too much. i would much rather be in a forum that people can post and not get torn into by s2kman for him misinterpreting a post. so say what ever you want i wont reply. i refuse to be a part of your childish games. i save a lot of what i had to say before from my previous post. i edited it becase i didnt want to get into it. i am not the argumentative type. but you guys are really something else. its nothing but childish bickering and pointing fingers. grow up!!!!!

Originally Posted by familycar

amazing it really is. its hard to fathom how a simple statement can turn into t ahuge argument over me proving facts. which i did and it still isnt good enough. well i should have known that from the other threads i read of him doing the same thing. way over it. ill just sit back and laugh now. no need to carry this on anymore.

Originally Posted by familycar

uuuummm no the 2.2l eco tech is the n/a motor the ion redline and cobalt ss have a destroked 2.0l ecotech. they are quick little cars and gm actaully makes gobbs of factory parts for them that can get **you** into the 1000hp range. the bottom end on those cars are really stout and can take a lot of boost. i own a 2.2l s10 and am a forum member on s10forum.com and also jbody.org. both have a lot of useful info on that motor. id check out j-body.org if you really paln to get one.

Originally Posted by familycar

no personal attacks just stating what i see in every post your in
this is not a flame war

Originally Posted by familycar

the n/a eco tech isnt anyhting to mess with either. on a stock motor and head @9-10 psi 220whp is easily attainable

Originally Posted by Redline04

Well I was just passing through the car lots Sat and I stumbled upon one of those new Ion Redlines. Ended up taking it for a spin. It picked up pretty good from 0-80mph(3rd gear). It didn't feel as fast as I my car with the 50shot, but def faster than my car all motor. Not too crazy about the looks, but not completly disgusted. Overall I was pretty impressed. Anyway they have that employee discount going on plus .9% financing. Which is a pretty bad *** deal. I'm gonna go back and take it for another spin and possibly trade in the vic if the price is right. A simple pulley swap can yeild some decent gains,and I'll have the power of my 50 shot all the time(no refills) plus still have warranty. Unlike my civic if I break something it's coming out of my pocket. Gonna do some research this week before I decide. I know some of you are gonna say it's a saturn and it's still a POS, but my parents have owned saturns since they first came out and have never had any major problems plus I'm tired of *******s dinging the **** out of my doors. LOL

Originally Posted by S2000man01

Here is what you said to redline, who is considering getting a redline with the ecotec engine.

see that phrase there? sounds to me like you are telling redline, the person considering getting a redline/cobalt, that they are quick little cars and GM makes factory parts that can get HIM into the 1000hp range.

and obviously, that's not the case. because you have yet to show ONE cobalt or redline that's making 1000hp. no, sorry, the tube frame methanol dragster doesn't count. it's as much a cobalt as a minivan is an NSX.

Originally Posted by Jrfish007

Sorry dude, you lost all creditablity when you said:




An N/A motor with 9-10 psi?!?! That's one heck of an intake!

Originally Posted by familycar

what was meant there is a stock n/a motor with boost added. not a stock forced induction ecotec. your reading too far into it. your pointing out typo's rather than seeing the whole picture.

Originally Posted by familycar

what was meant there is a stock n/a motor with boost added. not a stock forced induction ecotec. your reading too far into it. your pointing out typo's rather than seeing the whole picture.

Originally Posted by familycar

the bottom line is you can get that motor to make 1000+ hp. i even gave you the gm tech book. this gives the recipe or parts to do so. wether you stick it in a street car or a tube frame drag car the motor is capable of making 1000+hp just as your s2k. its easy to make that particular car make 400hp on pump gas with out changing the bottom end or much of the natural charastics of the motor. 1000+ hp on any motor is a feat but it can be done with his motor with gm tech parts listed in the gm tech book i gave the link to.

Originally Posted by familycar

what was meant there is a stock n/a motor with boost added. not a stock forced induction ecotec. your reading too far into it. your pointing out typo's rather than seeing the whole picture.

Originally Posted by S2000man01

not to pick nits, but if the car has boost, it's not n/a. even if it comes like that stock.

both the saturn ion redline and cobalt SS come with a supercharger. therefore neither of the engines is n/a in any way, shape, or form. what is it you're trying to say??

Originally Posted by familycar

a stock ecotec is n/a. so obviously the bottom does not need to be as stout as the forced induction ecotec. the n/a version of the motor can easily produce 220whp with boost added. you really don think i know the difference . now your insulting me

Originally Posted by S2000man01

ok? is the saturn ion redline and cobalt SS not an ecotec? do they not come with a supercharger stock?

the ecotec is offered in both n/a AND FI applications in stock form.

so, is a stock ecotec n/a? yes.

is a stock ecotec FI? yes.

both are correct. lol. we are saying the same thing here.

Originally Posted by Redline04

off topic: Why is it that every thread I start turn into a 6-7 page flame war/ debate?
It's all good
On topic:
So I have been researching the redline a little bit. So far the only major problems with these cars I have seen are the axels and clutch. Also there is little aftermarket support at the moment, but there seems to be a lot of potential too make some good #'s with minimal mods. They are underrated at 205bhp, most dyno over 200hp at the wheels and seem to be capable of making more power above the too low factory rev limiter. Apparantly there are places out there attempting to crack the ECU. Once that is done the tuning of the ECU should yeild some nice gains by raising the rev limiter and allowing higher boost levels. That combined with a smaller pulley, A/F tuning and an exhaust dump should def put this car into the 13's and put out some good HP#'s. If the price is right I think I just might pick one up. The SRT4 at the moment is def better right out the box performance and upgrade wise, but too many of them around here. Not too many Redlines out there and a lot of people don't even know about them or what they look like. I like to be different and how fun it would be to get some kills with an underestimated Saturn. Plus the whine of a supercharger puts a big smile on my face.

Originally Posted by Redline04

So I have been researching the redline a little bit. So far the only major problems with these cars I have seen are the axels and clutch. Also there is little aftermarket support at the moment, but there seems to be a lot of potential too make some good #'s with minimal mods. They are underrated at 205bhp, most dyno over 200hp at the wheels and seem to be capable of making more power above the too low factory rev limiter. Apparantly there are places out there attempting to crack the ECU. Once that is done the tuning of the ECU should yeild some nice gains by raising the rev limiter and allowing higher boost levels. That combined with a smaller pulley, A/F tuning and an exhaust dump should def put this car into the 13's and put out some good HP#'s. If the price is right I think I just might pick one up. The SRT4 at the moment is def better right out the box performance and upgrade wise, but too many of them around here. Not too many Redlines out there and a lot of people don't even know about them or what they look like. I like to be different and how fun it would be to get some kills with an underestimated Saturn. Plus the whine of a supercharger puts a big smile on my face.

Originally Posted by Jrfish007

Back to my question earlier, does the pully affect the warranty? Or for that matter do any of the GM aftermarket thing affect the warranty? You stated you wanted a warranty earlier, just wondering how all that played into the equation?
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Originally Posted by EManEX

If you buy the parts from GM and a certified person install the part then its covered under warranty.

Originally Posted by Redline04

off topic: Why is it that every thread I start turn into a 6-7 page flame war/ debate?
It's all good

Originally Posted by WhiteCastle

I was watching tunner vision... A turbo colbalt SS cranked out 280tq and hp numbers were between 250-280 can't remember.. Anyone else see the show?
insane I tell you

Originally Posted by familycar

unless the guy ditched the supercharger for a tubo which means he would need a new intake manifold and t/b the info they gave isnt correct. or he could have taken a reg cobalt non ss model and put a turbo on it. that seems more pheasable to me than him ditching the super.