Finally someone is doing the K20A2 swap
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<< i think that guy is pullin your leg dude, that makes no sense, why would they put a K20A into an 02 Si? the Si already has a 2.0 i-vtec, why would you pay that much cash (even in the jdm i imagine this isnt a cheap thing to do) to get an engine that's only 40hp more powerful of the same size? >>
Htown just said it was some guy, for all we know it coulda been a major company making a demo or race car. In japan they have the Type R and no Type S so that horse power woulda increased from 160 to 220. But is there a civic SI in japan?[IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/IMG]
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Rep Power: 0 << In japan they have the Type R and no Type S so that horse power woulda increased from 160 to 220. But is there a civic SI in japan?[IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/IMG] >>
hey but we don't know if there's no JDM Type S, after all there was a GS-R in japan as well as an ITR and the lower non-vtec models, and the GS-R was actually available in automatic too hehe, of course both were slightly higher output than the USDM counterparts but not by much...
but yeah, if that guy said they put a K20A in then that can't be an ITR motor anyway as it'd have a different engine code, at least i expect it would (like the previous teg variations, B18C1/GS-R and B18C5/ITR)
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Rep Power: 0 yeah, ok, this swap would make NO sense, i just completely forgot....
CIVIC TYPE R!
it totally slipped my mind, why would they even use a 2002 Si as any sort of race car when they could have just had a 2002 CTR for slightly more cash? and no one can deny that the CTR is a better choice for any sort of moddability, just as the ITR is a better choice than the GS-R, and the new RSX-R/ITR is a better choice than the RSX-S (which is all we got though)
so, why would a japanese race company (or anyone for that matter, some guy, whatever) take a brand new JDM Si (again, over there this would be the mid-range model, not the top end CTR) and do it up with an RSX-S motor, when NOT ONLY do they have purchase access to a real new CTR, but also a new JDM ITR motor as liq just suggested? the price difference in swapping out a new engine out of a new car could easily be put into buying the better car in the first place
CIVIC TYPE R!
it totally slipped my mind, why would they even use a 2002 Si as any sort of race car when they could have just had a 2002 CTR for slightly more cash? and no one can deny that the CTR is a better choice for any sort of moddability, just as the ITR is a better choice than the GS-R, and the new RSX-R/ITR is a better choice than the RSX-S (which is all we got though)
so, why would a japanese race company (or anyone for that matter, some guy, whatever) take a brand new JDM Si (again, over there this would be the mid-range model, not the top end CTR) and do it up with an RSX-S motor, when NOT ONLY do they have purchase access to a real new CTR, but also a new JDM ITR motor as liq just suggested? the price difference in swapping out a new engine out of a new car could easily be put into buying the better car in the first place
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Rep Power: 0 << but yeah, if that guy said they put a K20A in then that can't be an ITR motor anyway as it'd have a different engine code, >>
it could have been an ITR, but just saying K20A isnt specific enough. The US Type S engine code is K20A2, the US base RSX is K20A3, so that means the ITR would be a K20A(#), still a K20A
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Rep Power: 0 << Update on the motor:
.... I'm estimating that Carboy will be able to finish their pre-swap research and start working on the motor swap by middle of next week. >>
that's when i should get my car back
woo hooooo
congrats again htown and thanx for respondin
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<< but yeah, if that guy said they put a K20A in then that can't be an ITR motor anyway as it'd have a different engine code, >>
it could have been an ITR, but just saying K20A isnt specific enough. The US Type S engine code is K20A2, the US base RSX is K20A3, so that means the ITR would be a K20A(#), still a K20A >>
oh yeah thats right, sorry bout that totally forgot the extra # hehe
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one day a k20 swap is impossible, the next day it is...
i guess nothing is impossible these days
one day a k20 swap is impossible, the next day it is...
i guess nothing is impossible these days
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Rep Power: 0 Htown, if you or your boys at Carboy have any questions related to the swap let me know. I have a buddy of mine that runs a junkyard in Japan, and I am sure that he can answer most any question concerning the swap. If he can't then he always goes out and asks. Hope all is going well with the swap.
Have you notified SuperStreet yet?
Have you notified SuperStreet yet?
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Rep Power: 0 yea.. the japanese thing doesnt make much sense to me either.. if they already have a CTR, then what is the point of swapping in a RSX-S (or R?) engine? .. but wait.. that would be like swapping in a Si engine into a EX.. which is not really too uncommon around here
personally i believe the swap could work ..
just for comparison..
02 Si
02 RSX S
EX
personally i believe the swap could work ..
just for comparison..
02 Si
02 RSX S
EX
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Rep Power: 0 Now that I think about - the Carboy guy told me the K20A swap was done on a Civic Type R (not Si as I incorrectly stated). In any case, I think we're overanalyzing this particular detail. I asked the guy flat out, "So I should be able to drop in the K20A to my plain old 2001 Civic without a problems?" Without hesitation he replied, "There shouldn't be a problem." I was a bit skeptical at how quickly he responded and how confident he sounded, so I mentioned the fact that the intake/exhaust manifolds are reserved and the engine rotates in the opposite direction, and he said, "None of that should matter." From talking with this guy, you'd think they do the K20A swap into the D17A chassis every day.
Anyways, I've spoken to three guys from Carboy in the past week, and I feel pretty confident that they will be able to do the job and do it well. Even the Acura mechanics I've talked to recommended them.
The Acura RSX electrical manual has been shipped and will arrive tomorrow. Helm really JACKS you on these service manuals - $45 for a paperback manual, and next-day shipping is almost the same price as the manual. I ordered this manual online on Tuesday, and ordered next-day shipping, so naturally Helm told me it will arrive by Friday (what's up with that?)
Oh damn - ok never mind my previous paragraph. Right after I finished typing that last sentence, the front desk girl in my office just handed me a package from Helm. I'll see if I can make it to Carboy to give them the stuff sometime tonight.
Let the fun begin!
Anyways, I've spoken to three guys from Carboy in the past week, and I feel pretty confident that they will be able to do the job and do it well. Even the Acura mechanics I've talked to recommended them.
The Acura RSX electrical manual has been shipped and will arrive tomorrow. Helm really JACKS you on these service manuals - $45 for a paperback manual, and next-day shipping is almost the same price as the manual. I ordered this manual online on Tuesday, and ordered next-day shipping, so naturally Helm told me it will arrive by Friday (what's up with that?)
Oh damn - ok never mind my previous paragraph. Right after I finished typing that last sentence, the front desk girl in my office just handed me a package from Helm. I'll see if I can make it to Carboy to give them the stuff sometime tonight.
Let the fun begin!
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I haven't notified anybody yet except for my friends and this forum. My primary reason for doing this was to have a bad a$@ motor in my car and to do what no other 7th gen Civic has done before. Even after the motor swap, I don't plan to change a thing on my car's exterior and it will be a sleeper all the way (no DOHC iVTEC stickers or CIVIC emblems with a Type S emblem or anything tacky like that). I'm not going to lie - having my car in an import mag would be pretty darn cool in anyone's book, but my car doesn't look like any of the show cars in their mags. My 17" rims look pretty puny to the 18's and 19's all those cars are riding on, and I have no outrageous body kits or spoilers.
Anyways, if anyone wants to contact any publications, I'm not going to stop them. But personally right now I'm more focused on getting the thing done first than on self exposure. I'm not really the type of guy to toot my horn, but if other people would like to I guess I can't complain. Ludacris and I have the same style - we like to rely mainly on Word of Mouf.
I haven't notified anybody yet except for my friends and this forum. My primary reason for doing this was to have a bad a$@ motor in my car and to do what no other 7th gen Civic has done before. Even after the motor swap, I don't plan to change a thing on my car's exterior and it will be a sleeper all the way (no DOHC iVTEC stickers or CIVIC emblems with a Type S emblem or anything tacky like that). I'm not going to lie - having my car in an import mag would be pretty darn cool in anyone's book, but my car doesn't look like any of the show cars in their mags. My 17" rims look pretty puny to the 18's and 19's all those cars are riding on, and I have no outrageous body kits or spoilers.
Anyways, if anyone wants to contact any publications, I'm not going to stop them. But personally right now I'm more focused on getting the thing done first than on self exposure. I'm not really the type of guy to toot my horn, but if other people would like to I guess I can't complain. Ludacris and I have the same style - we like to rely mainly on Word of Mouf.
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Rep Power: 0 when do you plan to put the motor in let me know how it works because some one in miami is selling a type s for $3000 but i dont want to buy it yet until i know it works well so let me know ok thanks
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Rep Power: 0 Htown looking forward to the pics... Im following suit in a little bit once theres some cash flow for a K20A3 with the Shiftronic Transmission, and you wait, Im ripping my IVIC off the emblem and putting SX next the C (CSX)....Just my .02!!!
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Rep Power: 0 Alright I just got back from my 3-hr roundtrip to Houston to deliver the electrical documentation to Carboy. I had an opportunity to meet all of the guys I've been talking to on the phone this week (Henry, Sam, and Jacky).
We talked about some of the concerns that I've been having - RSX engine bay being a mirror image of the Civic, engine rotating opposite direction, intake/exhaust manifolds reversed. And they assured me that I shouldn't be worried about these issues - none of these factors will make a difference in the success/failure of the swap. The K20A will bolt directly in with absolutely no trouble, we know for sure. What they need to determine now is how to reconcile the electrical connections/wiring of the K20A with the existing chassis of the 7th gen Civic. One interesting topic that came up was whether I needed to bolt in a new RSX fuel pump and fuel regulator. I was under the impression that I had to, but they all said that this wasn't necessarily true.
At the moment Carboy said they are in the middle of working on a few other projects, and that they will be finished with their research on the K20A swap by the first week of Feb. at the earliest. This swap is one of the first of its kind and there is no previous bank of knowledge to draw upon, so they will have to do a complete analysis from the ground up. So we will have to wait about 1-2 weeks to hear the final word on if this thing is 100% certain and if so, exactly what kinds of work and how much $$ it will take.
All in all, I feel pretty confident in these guys. All of them seem to really know their stuff and they are willing to first do their homework to make sure that this project is successful. Jacky, in particular, didn't really say much and had his head buried in the RSX electrical troubleshooting guide the entire time I was there. In the meantime, I will keep the motor stored at Greenleaf's Houston/Pearland warehouse until Carboy is ready to begin the swap.
If anyone has any further questions, just shoot and I will try my best to answer them.
We talked about some of the concerns that I've been having - RSX engine bay being a mirror image of the Civic, engine rotating opposite direction, intake/exhaust manifolds reversed. And they assured me that I shouldn't be worried about these issues - none of these factors will make a difference in the success/failure of the swap. The K20A will bolt directly in with absolutely no trouble, we know for sure. What they need to determine now is how to reconcile the electrical connections/wiring of the K20A with the existing chassis of the 7th gen Civic. One interesting topic that came up was whether I needed to bolt in a new RSX fuel pump and fuel regulator. I was under the impression that I had to, but they all said that this wasn't necessarily true.
At the moment Carboy said they are in the middle of working on a few other projects, and that they will be finished with their research on the K20A swap by the first week of Feb. at the earliest. This swap is one of the first of its kind and there is no previous bank of knowledge to draw upon, so they will have to do a complete analysis from the ground up. So we will have to wait about 1-2 weeks to hear the final word on if this thing is 100% certain and if so, exactly what kinds of work and how much $$ it will take.
All in all, I feel pretty confident in these guys. All of them seem to really know their stuff and they are willing to first do their homework to make sure that this project is successful. Jacky, in particular, didn't really say much and had his head buried in the RSX electrical troubleshooting guide the entire time I was there. In the meantime, I will keep the motor stored at Greenleaf's Houston/Pearland warehouse until Carboy is ready to begin the swap.
If anyone has any further questions, just shoot and I will try my best to answer them.
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Rep Power: 0 i must give props to you htown. i wish i could do that with my car. i think it's better than i would do with the money though. i'm guessing this will ring up to about 8 grand. if i had my car payed off, and i had 8 grand, i would probably sell my car and use all that money to get a brand new s2000. but having that rsx-s engine would probably feel totaly different.
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Rep Power: 0 yeah if u had 8 grand to spend and sold ur car u would definitely have enough for a honda 2000......what the hell are u thinkin man?u might have enough for a really big picture of it but not anything you could acctually get in and drive[IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG]
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You're carrying all our hopes. (And dreams for those who're dreaming of this to work.) It better be enough for this to really work! [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/IMG] We're all lucky that you were the one who got that engine so people can stop taking claim on the things they have no evidence of. But of course, no one really knows for sure if it's gonna work, but for all of us here who're optimistic about this engine swap... more love and respect to you all for givin' this guy hope, insight, info, and your research. The most respect goes to you, Htown... for going first through this unexplored land of engine swapping for the love of your Honda. You've got my hopes for this to work. If it works, you've attained a lot more than just a very unique car. Much, much, much respect to you doing this, because even if it doesn't work, your effort is priceless for you being the first to try it. That's real optimism and it shows you've truly went somewhere with this, unlike what the people here had to say about it. I admire you whether it works or not. Good fortune, and I'll be on this thread consistantly as it is updated.
Just my $.02...
-ZeLL
P.S., So like... what are you gonna call your car if it works?
Honda Civic RSX Type S?
Honda Civic (your trim) Type S?
Hacura Civic RSX Type S?
Hondacura Civic EL RSX Type S?
Honda RSCivic Type SX?
Honda Integricivic RSX Type S?
I dunno. [IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG]
You're carrying all our hopes. (And dreams for those who're dreaming of this to work.)
It better be enough for this to really work! [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/IMG] We're all lucky that you were the one who got that engine so people can stop taking claim on the things they have no evidence of. But of course, no one really knows for sure if it's gonna work, but for all of us here who're optimistic about this engine swap... more love and respect to you all for givin' this guy hope, insight, info, and your research. The most respect goes to you, Htown... for going first through this unexplored land of engine swapping for the love of your Honda. You've got my hopes for this to work. If it works, you've attained a lot more than just a very unique car. Much, much, much respect to you doing this, because even if it doesn't work, your effort is priceless for you being the first to try it. That's real optimism and it shows you've truly went somewhere with this, unlike what the people here had to say about it. I admire you whether it works or not. Good fortune, and I'll be on this thread consistantly as it is updated.Just my $.02...
-ZeLL
P.S., So like... what are you gonna call your car if it works?
Honda Civic RSX Type S?
Honda Civic (your trim) Type S?
Hacura Civic RSX Type S?
Hondacura Civic EL RSX Type S?
Honda RSCivic Type SX?
Honda Integricivic RSX Type S?
I dunno. [IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG]
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Rep Power: 0 I would call it a Civic CX....
Yes, making it a non-existing, lowest trim possible. Then watch people get dumbfounded when they realize this one can beat most compacts on the road.
Yes, making it a non-existing, lowest trim possible. Then watch people get dumbfounded when they realize this one can beat most compacts on the road.
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