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excellent answer... I'm impressed? Now what's your question?

 
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yeah, ive played this so long with buddies, he are stumped as to what to ask... OH i cant wait

<---NERD

 
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Alright... here's a question.


I'm making a round on the "Peanut" (a short road track) in my Jetta VR6. After acclerating heavily for the 1/8 mile straight, I am coming into a hard right turn. I'm currently going 80 in 3rd gear, at about 4800 rpm. The best way to approach this turn would be :

A - Clutch in. Down to 2nd. Start taking the turn wide while letting the clutch out, braking hard and slamming on the acclerator halfway through.

B - Clutch in, down to 2nd. Head towards the inside of the curve. Heel-toe technique to blip the throttle, and yank the steering wheel towards the right. Give the eBrake a little tug, whipping the back end around. Acclerate after gripping and continuing on.

C- Clutch in, down to 2nd. Head out wide, and slam hard on the brakes early while steering hard to the right. Blip the throttle, let out the clutch. Modulate the throttle, letting off to compensate for understeer, and acclerate smoothly out of the turn.

D- Clutch in, down to 2nd. Start out wide, apply the brake moderatley. Blip the throttle to shift down, and modulate the throttle to compensate for oversteer.

E- Leave it in 3rd, using engine braking as well as the brakes to slow the car down. Take the turn smoothly from the outside, approaching the apex of the corner, and hit the gas to pull out.

F- Autocrossing is stupid. Real men drag race. Watching the RPMs and shifting perfectly in a straight line takes more talent and skill than AutoX. My civic can never lose, and if it does, you're lucky not to break down on the way home, because no car can be reliable but a Honda. SOHC VTEC RoXz0Rz !


Remember, you have to say WHY.



Let's see who can drive

 
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WWJD?

 
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haha... I don't know WWJD... but... I certainly know what works best for me.


I figured I'd keep it on topic... cars, and the like.

 
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well, its definitely not "F" haha...no seriously though. great frickin' question; i was rolling this through my head for a while. i don't know the answer, but i am going to say that its not "A," "C," or "E."

 
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If on a pavement road I would say E and let the car pull you as you approach the apex while accelerating. With the proper body mechanics it would work like a charm (assuming it is not a sharp turn or then you are dead).

Sharp turn (pavement) I would say A becuase if not you will over shoot the corner and end up in the wall.

Soft turn (dirt) I would have to say B the *** of the car should pull you through to the proper point where you begin to accelerate agian and you should end up on the outside of the curve.

Sharp turn (dirt) I would say C, thake the turn wide.. brake steer right and drift through the curve.. when you emrge you would be just past the apex where you will accelerate and the car will pull you through..

I am pretty sure those are correct to the point where you would lose little to no speed.

although there is a really good chance I am wrong..

 
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well, as far as road ralley it would be shift to 2nd, stay wide, Turn point 1, brake moderately, turn, heel toe, apex, floor it, turn point 3, shift

as far as drifting b pending on what your into

 
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wouldnt the angle of the turn, tire composition, power of the car, weight distribution, gear sizes and other factors have to be needed to be correct? each and every case is basicalyl the same, slow down and turn and excellerate... so wouldnt you need more details if you want to be precise... plus wouldnt my civic react different than say someone elses... and my view on turning sharp is different than someone elses... to many factors at play....

and i need to visually see the turn in order to tell you and to visually see the choices... otherwise its just words.. and me trying to visually see the car and all its imaginary factors is to me implausible... so this is left up to the ones that can pretend to know immaginary scenarios... cause i cant do it..

 
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I would say yes and no.. there is a Huge difference between road racing and dirt racing. where in dirt racing if the turn is wide enough and not to much of an angle you can drift through the entire thing with almost no loss of speed, where in a street race you need to becareful (especially with RWD) b/c you will end up fish-tailing through the curve and end up in a wall.

For scenrios.. take a pin and paper.. draw a large 8 with wide curves and then one with sharp curves.. imagine one as a dirt track and the other as a street track. Plus if you have any exp at dirt tracks racing it would help you to understand.. like i said i may be wrong.. it has been about ten years since i have been in or around dirt track cars and memory is not what it used to be..

 
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OK, sorry to take so long to get back to you. I re-read it keeping your answers in mind, and it's apparent I didn't give you guys enough information to make an outright clear choice.

I was hoping to stress "Jetta VR6"... which means... nose-heavy, high torque, moderate understeer. With that in mind, I wanted you to consider early braking technique on a front-heavy FWD car. In addition, I didn't stress that it was a pavement track, which does make a signifigant difference.

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A - This one has a number of little problems. First of all, I'm going way too fast for a downshift to 2nd without some braking, which wasn't mentioned before the downshift. Secondly, with a higher-torque car with no LSD, i'm likely to spin and lose control if I just slam the throttle midway through a hard turn. It's been my experience that's exactly what happens.

B- This one would be OK for a dirt track, since it would whip the back end around, however you'd have some traction problems with that sharp of a turn. The heavier car is likely just to slide right on out of the turn, and possibly turning me around and sending the car in "reverse"

C- This is the answer I was looking for. If you brake early, it tends to shift the weight of the car forward, pushing the wheels into the ground. You'll then have a little less understeer to deal with. The rest of the understeer gets modulated with throttle and engine braking.

D- D is fine with a better-handling FWD vehicle, but I would lose a little more speed fighting understeer than I would with C. It is a "correct" answer, but not as beneficial as "c."

E - If I leave it in 3rd through the whole turn, the RPMs would drop too far, and I would lose some time being off-peak power. This is what I did when I was a nooB, and just waited until the end of the turn to downshift.

F- Well, is simply not true. Stock civics (non Si's or VTEC del sol's) are in H-stock, the "lowest" class.

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Ok, so I was too picky and vague for this to be a reasonable question, on top of some other potentially conflicting personal experiences. So I'll ask a new question, one that's a lot easier. You can even Google this one.


Which Car company was the first to develop a Rotary Engine?

 
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NSU (Neckarsulmer Strickmaschinefabrik)

 
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Does your choices account for the downforce of the body kit and 60 inch wing?
Seriously man, i need to know to get my answer..but im leaning towards F.


Thanks

 
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this thread is making me dizzy.

 
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Very good! That is correct!

The FIAT company "NSU Automobil AG" started building NSU cars again in 1957, at the same time the then called NSU Werke AG did the same with the (then) new Prinz. This lead to much confusion, and in 1959, the FIAT cars where marked NSU/FIAT. In 1960 the NSU company was renamed to "NSU Motorenwerke AG".

The Sport Prinz was introduced in 1959, followed by the Prinz 4 in 1961.

In 1964, the first production car using a Wankel rotary engine was introduced after 8 years of development of the engine: the Wankel Spider.

On March 10, 1969, a contract was signed uniting AUTO UNION GmbH and NSU Motor Works AG and establishing a new joint company, AUDI NSU AUTO UNION AG. Auto Union Gmbh was partially owned by the Volkswagen AG.



Your turn, rgeer3 !

 
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What is the current world record for the world's fastest road race, who drove the car, what year was it done in and what was the exact speed.

 
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length or race? what it the time that was fast? distance? top speed?

 
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Its a world record for road racing (not NASCAR style) in a straight line on some back road American HWY. Distance, you really can not ask distance in a question like this, b/c distance is what you make of it.

What is the current world record for the world's fastest road race, who drove the car, what year was it done in and what was the exact speed.

Ok I will give you a tiny hint.. It can bo googled or looked up in a book that starts with the letter "G"

 
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Well I guess since no one is going to try and answer, here it is.

Chuck Shafer
May 21, 2000
Speed: 207.7801

I believe this was in a street legal vehicle on some back country road.

 
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ok i'll go

who can drive their civic on two wheels for 50+ feet?

 
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Hmmm, and where did you find this little tidbit of info?

 
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is the race in arizona or something, like a 50+ mile race... ?

 
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Prove it... There is no limiter on the ex what so ever.