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Originally Posted by WhiteCastle
I sat in a colbalt SS. Fist off a neon srt-4 yes the neon has better interior. It looks good but the materials are soo damn cheap its laughible, my god I hate the RSX interior and compared to this the RSX is a luxary Maybach! The dash has no cushion it is hard cheap plastic tap on it and its like a empty turtle shell-I felt it was gonna crack on me and the seats are very poorly stiched feel like I went to the APC store.
compare this against a somewhat loaded scion tc for 18 grand and 22 grand for the TRD version I take a scion TC anyday.....
The colbalt SS is based of an OPEL and the 4 door is a corrolla=they have a joint plant with toyota.
you guys see that the OPEL speedster is on sale in the US?????
its a saturn lol they rebaged it...
compare this against a somewhat loaded scion tc for 18 grand and 22 grand for the TRD version I take a scion TC anyday.....
The colbalt SS is based of an OPEL and the 4 door is a corrolla=they have a joint plant with toyota.
you guys see that the OPEL speedster is on sale in the US?????
its a saturn lol they rebaged it...
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Originally Posted by HustleLikeM0FO
Its a nice car, the design looks very well put together.
Now from a business aspect of the car game...
Its a Chevy..... your Civic drops about 1000 dollars a year (give or take of course) but the Cobolt will depreciate a lot faster. Your 15k dollar Cobolt will be worth about 12 next year... then it'll be worth about 9-10k the 2nd year then by the 3rd year you'll be lucky to get 7-8k for it.
The Civic on the other hand will be worth around 11k in 3 years if the mileage isnt too bad. For this fact alone I think you should keep the Civic.
We all know reliability is a big variable when buying a car. I know some poeple have tons of problems with a Civic but the chances are the Cobolt will be more of a hassle to maintain then a Civic judging by Chevy's history.
My opinion, stick with the civic because your wallet will thank you down the road.
Now from a business aspect of the car game...
Its a Chevy..... your Civic drops about 1000 dollars a year (give or take of course) but the Cobolt will depreciate a lot faster. Your 15k dollar Cobolt will be worth about 12 next year... then it'll be worth about 9-10k the 2nd year then by the 3rd year you'll be lucky to get 7-8k for it.
The Civic on the other hand will be worth around 11k in 3 years if the mileage isnt too bad. For this fact alone I think you should keep the Civic.
We all know reliability is a big variable when buying a car. I know some poeple have tons of problems with a Civic but the chances are the Cobolt will be more of a hassle to maintain then a Civic judging by Chevy's history.
My opinion, stick with the civic because your wallet will thank you down the road.
I see yur point, but like i said earlier, the daily driving i do in my vic kinda irritates me, im constantly havin to get the rpms up to get anywhere, hence why i would like to cobalt becuz of its added torque which is up about 50ft lbs from a lx vic. well if it broke down i mean, i work in a chevy dealership so parts and labor and things wont be a problem, plus i was told i would have a 0$ deductable so that works out good i think....but im still debating it. keep yalls opinions coming.
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Originally Posted by silver_surfer
any car lasts as long as you take care of it.. my dad has a CHEVY Monte carlo with over 800,000 miles on it, granded he has put 3 transmissions in it, but the engine still runs strong
Cobalt = Civic=Sunfire=Focus get the point?????
Monte carlo=Accord=Camry= OK??
Originally Posted by dnbguy86
but compare the 2.2L ecotec which has 145hp and 155ft lb of torque, compared to my 1.7L motor that puts out 115hp and 110ft lbs of torque. on paper the numbers look good. plus i test drove one and it doesnt bounce like my vic does on the highway
dont forget the Cobalt is 600lbs heavier than the civic
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Originally Posted by silver_surfer
any car lasts as long as you take care of it.. my dad has a CHEVY Monte carlo with over 800,000 miles on it, granded he has put 3 transmissions in it, but the engine still runs strong
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Originally Posted by _Viper_
Sure go ahead but Don't come back here crying that the car is a POS..Cobalt is a glorified Cavalier...
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I would rather have a newer import if I was in your situation... I would rather have reliability then a Cavalier with sporty trim.
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Originally Posted by WhiteCastle
you guys see that the OPEL speedster is on sale in the US?????
its a saturn lol they rebaged it...
its a saturn lol they rebaged it...
Are you speaking about the Saturn Sky? if so I haven’t read an article about being an Opel Speedster. From what I have read it is based on the Kappa (Sp?) Platform, same as the Pontiac Solstice.
If you have an article making the connection please post a link. Also just clear some stuff up the Saturn Sky is not on sale yet, it should come out later this year as a 2006 model.
Now on the Cobalt;
If some one has Motor Trend they should read their review on the Cobalt SS, it might surprise some most of you guys.
I would definitly go with the Cobalt SS. If you're doing daily commuter and want an extra kick, it should definitly outlast your payments and not cause any reliability problems if you take care of it.
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Originally Posted by dnbguy86
I see yur point, but like i said earlier, the daily driving i do in my vic kinda irritates me, im constantly havin to get the rpms up to get anywhere, hence why i would like to cobalt becuz of its added torque which is up about 50ft lbs from a lx vic. well if it broke down i mean, i work in a chevy dealership so parts and labor and things wont be a problem, plus i was told i would have a 0$ deductable so that works out good i think....but im still debating it. keep yalls opinions coming.
I think you should just get your colbalt if you need to feel a bit more power. I believe if you won't keep the car for more than 3 years because your taste will change in the future and you will trade it with some other car anyways.
In this case, it is better to just explore some other fun car, and not be worrying about reliability.
Civic is more like the type of car that fits people who does not want to change car all the time or to people who just need a presentable car for daily drive -that is why they need a good long term resale value and reliability.
P.S :Some people in this site never knew what kind of car they wanted, so they got Civic. Later on they came back complaining their Civic can't drag race. Usually they got flammed.
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from what i've seen it's not an srt-4 killer, but it does have it's own charm and it's own advantages. like others said, the interior is excellent, and the car over all looks good in my book. i would personally sport one of those rather than an srt-4
as for depreciation and what not. if you are worrying about car depreciation, don't bother modding your car, because each modification will increase the rate of depreciation.
same with warranties, if you are gonna mod the car, don't bring the car back for your stupid mistakes, that is the reason cars cost so much more, because warranty work
as for the relieability issues, it is really depends on your luck, how you take care of cars and your knowledge on detecting problems before they escalade. for example, my girlfriend's sister has had no problem with her cavalier, infact, she loved it so much that when she totaled it, she brought a new one, in contrast, my friend with a 2001 civic has spent about 4k in various repairs, her transmission even gave out, she was clocked at 67000 miles
according jd power and associates have shown many domestic companies have started stepping up the plate
dependibility wise, it may not be up there with honda and toyota, but the graph obviously show that detroit is trying, and it shows improvement to it's 2000 graph
all in all, go test drive the car, other people are not spending their hard earned money on the car, you are. go try the car and see how you like it
from what i've seen it's not an srt-4 killer, but it does have it's own charm and it's own advantages. like others said, the interior is excellent, and the car over all looks good in my book. i would personally sport one of those rather than an srt-4
as for depreciation and what not. if you are worrying about car depreciation, don't bother modding your car, because each modification will increase the rate of depreciation.
same with warranties, if you are gonna mod the car, don't bring the car back for your stupid mistakes, that is the reason cars cost so much more, because warranty work
as for the relieability issues, it is really depends on your luck, how you take care of cars and your knowledge on detecting problems before they escalade. for example, my girlfriend's sister has had no problem with her cavalier, infact, she loved it so much that when she totaled it, she brought a new one, in contrast, my friend with a 2001 civic has spent about 4k in various repairs, her transmission even gave out, she was clocked at 67000 miles
according jd power and associates have shown many domestic companies have started stepping up the plate
dependibility wise, it may not be up there with honda and toyota, but the graph obviously show that detroit is trying, and it shows improvement to it's 2000 graph
all in all, go test drive the car, other people are not spending their hard earned money on the car, you are. go try the car and see how you like it
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Rep Power: 0 i say go with the cobalt ss if you can get it for cheap. it's not like if u paying sticker price!!!!!!!!!! i think people don't see the deal ur getting since u work there. YES, there are tons of cars way better than the cobalt and if i had the money, no, i would not chose the cobalt but u don't have that choice. i think the ss is a nice car but i would rather get a type-s any day of the week!!!!! go for it.
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Rep Power: 0 once again, thanxs for all the replys and opinions. as of right now, im converting the civic back to stock and im gonna pay it off some more. im still unsure if im going to go through with the deal or not. if i do get one, ill get a review of the ride to see if anyone else is curious what there like or not...
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Originally Posted by jamesbbh
everyone says its a "GLORIFIED CAVELIER"well then what is the civic?? a glorified . . .uhhh well nevermind they dont do anything cool to the civic from the factory.
Yeah they do. They use the civic as the platform and base for the RSX Type S.
The Civic has a good name, its sales are good why change the name of the car when the reputation is good. The civic is Honda's bread and butter. On the other cavalier, which was using such an old chassis until now. They finally changed it for the cobalt, mind you if drivetrain is important to you, the current cavalier has the new drivetrain they are putting in the cobalt.
I don't know if this happening in the United States, but in Canada we don't have neons anymore we only have dodge sx 2.0 and SRT-4. I love marketing
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Rep Power: 564 So from what I understand the Cobalt SS is going to be the same as the Saturn Redline.....so whoop dee doo.
The Redline was, is and always will be a POS so I can't understand how the Cobalt SS will do that much better.
The Redline was, is and always will be a POS so I can't understand how the Cobalt SS will do that much better.
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Originally Posted by Pharoh
So from what I understand the Cobalt SS is going to be the same as the Saturn Redline.....so whoop dee doo.
The Redline was, is and always will be a POS so I can't understand how the Cobalt SS will do that much better.
The Redline was, is and always will be a POS so I can't understand how the Cobalt SS will do that much better.
Its the same as the redline? That car was a flop, I don't get why they launched the cobalt ss after the redline was a flop.
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Originally Posted by nindoo
Its the same as the redline? That car was a flop, I don't get why they launched the cobalt ss after the redline was a flop.
I have no idea why they did that but I read that Saturn was very reluctant to drop that engine into the Ion. They added the Recaro seats and some interior styling....put on some nice wheels and stuff and voila! A POS that nobody bought. I have yet to see one on the streets.
It shifts like the Crapalier and feels like a Crapalier...I realize it's not the same car but it's the same crap.
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Rep Power: 305 Acura needs to reprice its rsx type S in Canada. The US dollar is weaker than it use to be and its been in the same place for a while now, but our type S still starts at 34k while in the US I think it starts at 24k, that sucks!. Our Type S should start at 29k.
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Rep Power: 0 why is everybody bashing on the cobalt, i understand that this is a honda site as i am an owner of one, but i didnt think it would be such a dispute, i think chevy's lineup is really coming around, we rarely have any ecotec cars coming in with problems at my dealership ?
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Originally Posted by dnbguy86
why is everybody bashing on the cobalt, i understand that this is a honda site as i am an owner of one, but i didnt think it would be such a dispute, i think chevy's lineup is really coming around, we rarely have any ecotec cars coming in with problems at my dealership ?
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Rep Power: 0 Im with the lot of people in here im 32 and ive owned several american cars from 1980 buick regal to a ford probe and I can say beyond a shadow of doubt that every american car I owned caused me nothing but problems over and over again. Every single person I asked about hondas in general told me that besides regular maintnance like brakes and maybee a starter they never put real money in to there cars. I was sold, and I can say I have never been happier and I will say this (and it will probly **** alot of you off but here it goes!!!.) I personally believe that most american car designers design them to fall apart after 5 to 10 years. Now go ahead and slam me!!!! 
