European cars are crap!
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Originally Posted by Trix
Not only fuel efficiency, but oure streets are not so wide, so if you drive 60 it looks faster than in states. I can't get acura rsx insured because it's to fast.
Where is prestige in euro cars? Enzo ok, Porsch ok but mercedes???? BMW ????
Where is prestige in euro cars? Enzo ok, Porsch ok but mercedes???? BMW ????
mmm...
There is in fact prestige in BMW and BENZ...
This is common sense.
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Why are you so offended anyways, new member?
You know, I know and we all know BMW and BENZ are classified as prestige lexury car. Over priced or not. Reliable or not. Buying it or not, that is people's choice.
How about you drive your car to your dealer and tell them to write you a paper claiming that BMW and BENZ are in fact not classified lexury prestige car, also claim that they have more prestige than those brands. Scan it, and show it here.
Originally Posted by JP375
I have to disagree with the opinion that European cars are crap. They may require more repairs ,but this could be due to the fact that they are pushing the limits of technology. BMW's seem to have more computers than the frickin space shuttle. BMW, Porsche, Mercedes are performance leaders for a reason. The development of new technologies is inherently prone to problems. U.S. cars reliablity has increased because they have been using the same parts bin for many, many years. They are just now starting to stray away from their well proven pushrod powerplants. As for the Japanese, they do build high quality stuff with a fair amount of technology, but for the most part, they do not build awe inspiring vehicles. Don't get me wrong, I love Japanese cars, but I don't dream of owning a Lexus or Acura. I want the ultimate driving machine, and if that means I have to work through new technology with BMW, I am willing to do it.
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Originally Posted by CivicsRdBest
Is what a lot of European car owners are doing... Seriously, I have a cousin that has a Jetta, an upgrade from his Civic coupe, and he says its too expensive to go European. He loves the power and handling, but whenever something goes wrong he's screwed.I can't whine about the Civic.
any civic will outhandle a jetta. Jetta will feel more secure buts its nose heavy, its fat and its got a solid beam type rear suspension. Honda civics are light and nimble and have multi0-link double wishone rear suspension. The honda civic should outhandle a jetta any day of the week. I agree that the 1.8T is powerful but it can't handle.
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Why are you so offended anyways, new member?
You know, I know and we all know BMW and BENZ are classified as prestige lexury car. Over priced or not. Reliable or not. Buying it or not, that is people's choice.
How about you drive your car to your dealer and tell them to write you a paper claiming that BMW and BENZ are in fact not classified lexury prestige car, also claim that they have more prestige than those brands. Scan it, and show it here.
You know, I know and we all know BMW and BENZ are classified as prestige lexury car. Over priced or not. Reliable or not. Buying it or not, that is people's choice.
How about you drive your car to your dealer and tell them to write you a paper claiming that BMW and BENZ are in fact not classified lexury prestige car, also claim that they have more prestige than those brands. Scan it, and show it here.
And I can go to my dealer and he will put on paper that Benz and BMW aren't prestige cars, scan it and post it, but you coudn't read it becaus it's dutch.
Here 70% of people are driving BENZ, BMW and VW. I had BMW 320i, overpay it, expensive parts, and than sell it and bougt civic 92-95 (and blow the s*** out of it). My parents drive VW passat ( thats bigger car than jetta) and of all this cars I like most my little coupe. It drives best, more options for the money, cheap with gas. If I had money enough I woud buy Civic Type R .
I think that Audi A8, VW Phantom, Benz S, etc are prestige cars, but not small ones, like BMW 3, 5, BENZ A,C, E class
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Originally Posted by YUL
Interesting read...
A bad report card for European cars
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...954EST0064.DTL
A bad report card for European cars
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...954EST0064.DTL
had to replace the brakelines
replace tires they were fualty
replace the vacuum tubes it was fualty
air conditioning broke minute out of warranty
sold the damn POS and I will never own another BMW again.
well maybe an M someday...
They ride nice quality blows mind you this all happen in 3 years.
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Now tell me why BMW and Benz don't have prestige, they go way back; take a look at their history.
Here's something that I've have wanted to let go for a while. For all of you import owners (specifically fwd 4cyl. guys) that have not owned anything but and Import, don't knock something that you haven't tried (european cars and maybe even american muscle). I used to have a civic, and as you all know a civic is an import, so all I knew were imports, imports imports imports; I was blinded by the light, so to speak. Now that I have stepped up, I broadened my horizons in the car category. So next time you're out test driving cars, looking for a new or used car, try something different and get educated. Free Your Mind.
This was not a stab/flame you guys and don't take offense to it.
Later.
- Widely recognized prominence, distinction, or importance
- Weight or influence derived from past success; expectation of future achievements founded on those already accomplished; force or charm derived from acknowledged character or reputation.
- a high standing achieved through success
Now tell me why BMW and Benz don't have prestige, they go way back; take a look at their history.
Here's something that I've have wanted to let go for a while. For all of you import owners (specifically fwd 4cyl. guys) that have not owned anything but and Import, don't knock something that you haven't tried (european cars and maybe even american muscle). I used to have a civic, and as you all know a civic is an import, so all I knew were imports, imports imports imports; I was blinded by the light, so to speak. Now that I have stepped up, I broadened my horizons in the car category. So next time you're out test driving cars, looking for a new or used car, try something different and get educated. Free Your Mind.
This was not a stab/flame you guys and don't take offense to it.
Later.
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Originally Posted by tonyt915
I Agree, Any high performance machine is high maintaince, its will always wear faster and be more costly to repair, that is one of the reasons they are so expensive cause of the technology that goes into it. European cars
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Originally Posted by Trix
I'm not offended, but I'm just saying that you make it more than it is.
And I can go to my dealer and he will put on paper that Benz and BMW aren't prestige cars, scan it and post it, but you coudn't read it becaus it's dutch.
Here 70% of people are driving BENZ, BMW and VW. I had BMW 320i, overpay it, expensive parts, and than sell it and bougt civic 92-95 (and blow the s*** out of it). My parents drive VW passat ( thats bigger car than jetta) and of all this cars I like most my little coupe. It drives best, more options for the money, cheap with gas. If I had money enough I woud buy Civic Type R .
I think that Audi A8, VW Phantom, Benz S, etc are prestige cars, but not small ones, like BMW 3, 5, BENZ A,C, E class
And I can go to my dealer and he will put on paper that Benz and BMW aren't prestige cars, scan it and post it, but you coudn't read it becaus it's dutch.
Here 70% of people are driving BENZ, BMW and VW. I had BMW 320i, overpay it, expensive parts, and than sell it and bougt civic 92-95 (and blow the s*** out of it). My parents drive VW passat ( thats bigger car than jetta) and of all this cars I like most my little coupe. It drives best, more options for the money, cheap with gas. If I had money enough I woud buy Civic Type R .
I think that Audi A8, VW Phantom, Benz S, etc are prestige cars, but not small ones, like BMW 3, 5, BENZ A,C, E class
Ok, if you are actually an euro guy then taht is a different story
But you make north america sound poor! I think only like 10-20% of our population drive BMW and BENZ
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Rep Power: 0 I'm going to say there are a hefty number of VW, BMW, Mercedes owners out here but I've seen a whole hell of a lot of Opel, Renault, Peugot, and Citroen as well. I'd say it's about a 50/50 split between Benz, BMW, VW owners and the rest.
^^^^Oriion, It's not that America is poor but it's a lot more affordable to buy a car that hasn't been hit by trade tariffs to drive up the price.
^^^^Oriion, It's not that America is poor but it's a lot more affordable to buy a car that hasn't been hit by trade tariffs to drive up the price.
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European cars aren't unrealiable, it's just that they have more **** on them that can break. It's numbers. Say 100,000 Tauruses were sold and 5,000 were lemons. And say 30,000 Intrepids were sold and 3,000 were lemons. You can't say Tauruses are less reliable just because more broke down. A lot more were sold. Look at percentages. 5% of Tauruses are lemons, but 10% of Intrepids were lemons. Even though more Tauruses broke down, Intrepids would be deemed least reliable. That's why I hate Consumer Reports. They go off of what people have reported. Well of course you will get more gripes from 100,000 owners than from 30,000 owners.
European cars aren't unrealiable, it's just that they have more **** on them that can break. It's numbers. Say 100,000 Tauruses were sold and 5,000 were lemons. And say 30,000 Intrepids were sold and 3,000 were lemons. You can't say Tauruses are less reliable just because more broke down. A lot more were sold. Look at percentages. 5% of Tauruses are lemons, but 10% of Intrepids were lemons. Even though more Tauruses broke down, Intrepids would be deemed least reliable. That's why I hate Consumer Reports. They go off of what people have reported. Well of course you will get more gripes from 100,000 owners than from 30,000 owners.
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Rep Power: 304 European luxury cars have more complex electronix and are much more powerful. Japanese cars designed for the north American market have issues as well. Honda oddysey toyota camry ..... all have there own problems. Honda civics are simple little cars(or atleast the previous gen). Usually if you buy a new german car like a bmw or merk its under warranty and rich people don't keep there cars forever so maybe the unreliability is not so bad given the prestige factor, and they probably only keep there cars for 4 years.
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Originally Posted by orion_squall
Ok, if you are actually an euro guy then taht is a different story
But you make north america sound poor! I think only like 10-20% of our population drive BMW and BENZ
But you make north america sound poor! I think only like 10-20% of our population drive BMW and BENZ
So they suck big time
But on another side my vic is fast car if you compare it with diesel
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Rep Power: 304 anyhoot the north american benz and bimmers aren't the same as the european ones. There not built the same. It might say made in germany but its not the same car as the one the german guy is blasting down the autobahn.
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Originally Posted by nindoo
anyhoot the north american benz and bimmers aren't the same as the european ones. There not built the same. It might say made in germany but its not the same car as the one the german guy is blasting down the autobahn.
Yea thats right, my vic is D17A9 (I thing) and it's produced in US. But it have 125 HP.
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