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Originally Posted by DodgeNeonSRT-4
yep. I don't like saturns, but if they threw down stock 13.3's, I could respect that. but I guess my maturity level is just a tad higher than most the people here...
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Rep Power: 0 I think he's right, any time anyone even mentions domestics on this board, esp. the SRT-4, people start going crazy. This thread (on the Saturn Redline supposedly) is 9 pages long and the last 4 or so pages have just been people bashing the Neon.
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Rep Power: 380 .. all this jabber about SRT-4s, and I still havent been beaten by one.
Regarding the Redline... It probably will be a fun car, may not be a good car for racing (And I mean Autocross/road racing not drag) but that remains to be seen as Saturn has made some pretty good chassis in the past. We'll just have to wait and see.
Regarding the Redline... It probably will be a fun car, may not be a good car for racing (And I mean Autocross/road racing not drag) but that remains to be seen as Saturn has made some pretty good chassis in the past. We'll just have to wait and see.
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Originally Posted by Zzyzx
.. all this jabber about SRT-4s, and I still havent been beaten by one.
Regarding the Redline... It probably will be a fun car, may not be a good car for racing (And I mean Autocross/road racing not drag) but that remains to be seen as Saturn has made some pretty good chassis in the past. We'll just have to wait and see.
Regarding the Redline... It probably will be a fun car, may not be a good car for racing (And I mean Autocross/road racing not drag) but that remains to be seen as Saturn has made some pretty good chassis in the past. We'll just have to wait and see.
on topic, at least saturn is trying...
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Originally Posted by DodgeNeonSRT-4
obviously haven't raced one much past stock...there are plenty of 400 whp + ones going around...
on topic, at least saturn is trying...
on topic, at least saturn is trying...
I'm a firm believer that an outstanding car means alot more than sheer numbers or performance stats. A car is built off of a chassis. Not a motor. The Neon's chassis was never designed to be dynamic enough for a road course. Rightfully so, then, that the SRT-4 is designed for straight line rather than corners. It takes ALOT of thought to engineer a chassis that can give good driver response and keep its composure through the corners. In other words, the way the car "feels" when it drives. One of the biggest myths I've seen floating around here is that it's easier to make a car handle well, than it is get more power out of it. The Chassis is what it's about.
The SRT-4 and other cars like it are like the Andre the Giant of cars. Powerful, yes, but well balanced? No. I'll take a car that more resembles Bruce Lee. Enough power to get the job done, but with more finesse and nimbleness to dance around the competition. Not to mention, that I would not enjoy driving a FWD car with that much power. AWD and RWD are far superior as far as I'm concerned. One thing I've noticed is that the legendary FWD cars have never been renouned for their straightline performance, but rather their characteristics in the corners.
It's like I said. Quit bitching, and just buy what you like. If we all were in the same school of thought we'd all be driving the same thing.
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Originally Posted by nookiemonster
400 whp doesn't mean shiet on an autocross course. Not to mention you'd be in the modified class running against the likes of vettes. I hate to say it this way, but the SRT-4 will make you feel like a rockstar all night long on the dragstrip, but like I said about the Ion, at the end of the night, you get to drive home in the same traffic as the rest of us. Your 400 whp won't mean a thing, and we'll all be enjoying the interiors of our Hondas (or my RX-8), and you can enjoy your craptacular econobox rental car interior.
I'm a firm believer that an outstanding car means alot more than sheer numbers or performance stats. A car is built off of a chassis. Not a motor. The Neon's chassis was never designed to be dynamic enough for a road course. Rightfully so, then, that the SRT-4 is designed for straight line rather than corners. It takes ALOT of thought to engineer a chassis that can give good driver response and keep its composure through the corners. In other words, the way the car "feels" when it drives. One of the biggest myths I've seen floating around here is that it's easier to make a car handle well, than it is get more power out of it. The Chassis is what it's about.
The SRT-4 and other cars like it are like the Andre the Giant of cars. Powerful, yes, but well balanced? No. I'll take a car that more resembles Bruce Lee. Enough power to get the job done, but with more finesse and nimbleness to dance around the competition. Not to mention, that I would not enjoy driving a FWD car with that much power. AWD and RWD are far superior as far as I'm concerned. One thing I've noticed is that the legendary FWD cars have never been renouned for their straightline performance, but rather their characteristics in the corners.
It's like I said. Quit bitching, and just buy what you like. If we all were in the same school of thought we'd all be driving the same thing.
I'm a firm believer that an outstanding car means alot more than sheer numbers or performance stats. A car is built off of a chassis. Not a motor. The Neon's chassis was never designed to be dynamic enough for a road course. Rightfully so, then, that the SRT-4 is designed for straight line rather than corners. It takes ALOT of thought to engineer a chassis that can give good driver response and keep its composure through the corners. In other words, the way the car "feels" when it drives. One of the biggest myths I've seen floating around here is that it's easier to make a car handle well, than it is get more power out of it. The Chassis is what it's about.
The SRT-4 and other cars like it are like the Andre the Giant of cars. Powerful, yes, but well balanced? No. I'll take a car that more resembles Bruce Lee. Enough power to get the job done, but with more finesse and nimbleness to dance around the competition. Not to mention, that I would not enjoy driving a FWD car with that much power. AWD and RWD are far superior as far as I'm concerned. One thing I've noticed is that the legendary FWD cars have never been renouned for their straightline performance, but rather their characteristics in the corners.
It's like I said. Quit bitching, and just buy what you like. If we all were in the same school of thought we'd all be driving the same thing.
I don't understand why he doesn't get it.
Originally Posted by nookiemonster
400 whp doesn't mean shiet on an autocross course. Not to mention you'd be in the modified class running against the likes of vettes. I hate to say it this way, but the SRT-4 will make you feel like a rockstar all night long on the dragstrip, but like I said about the Ion, at the end of the night, you get to drive home in the same traffic as the rest of us. Your 400 whp won't mean a thing, and we'll all be enjoying the interiors of our Hondas (or my RX-8), and you can enjoy your craptacular econobox rental car interior.
I'm a firm believer that an outstanding car means alot more than sheer numbers or performance stats. A car is built off of a chassis. Not a motor. The Neon's chassis was never designed to be dynamic enough for a road course. Rightfully so, then, that the SRT-4 is designed for straight line rather than corners. It takes ALOT of thought to engineer a chassis that can give good driver response and keep its composure through the corners. In other words, the way the car "feels" when it drives. One of the biggest myths I've seen floating around here is that it's easier to make a car handle well, than it is get more power out of it. The Chassis is what it's about.
The SRT-4 and other cars like it are like the Andre the Giant of cars. Powerful, yes, but well balanced? No. I'll take a car that more resembles Bruce Lee. Enough power to get the job done, but with more finesse and nimbleness to dance around the competition. Not to mention, that I would not enjoy driving a FWD car with that much power. AWD and RWD are far superior as far as I'm concerned. One thing I've noticed is that the legendary FWD cars have never been renouned for their straightline performance, but rather their characteristics in the corners.
It's like I said. Quit bitching, and just buy what you like. If we all were in the same school of thought we'd all be driving the same thing.
I'm a firm believer that an outstanding car means alot more than sheer numbers or performance stats. A car is built off of a chassis. Not a motor. The Neon's chassis was never designed to be dynamic enough for a road course. Rightfully so, then, that the SRT-4 is designed for straight line rather than corners. It takes ALOT of thought to engineer a chassis that can give good driver response and keep its composure through the corners. In other words, the way the car "feels" when it drives. One of the biggest myths I've seen floating around here is that it's easier to make a car handle well, than it is get more power out of it. The Chassis is what it's about.
The SRT-4 and other cars like it are like the Andre the Giant of cars. Powerful, yes, but well balanced? No. I'll take a car that more resembles Bruce Lee. Enough power to get the job done, but with more finesse and nimbleness to dance around the competition. Not to mention, that I would not enjoy driving a FWD car with that much power. AWD and RWD are far superior as far as I'm concerned. One thing I've noticed is that the legendary FWD cars have never been renouned for their straightline performance, but rather their characteristics in the corners.
It's like I said. Quit bitching, and just buy what you like. If we all were in the same school of thought we'd all be driving the same thing.
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Originally Posted by nookiemonster
. One thing I've noticed is that the legendary FWD cars have never been renouned for their straightline performance, but rather their characteristics in the corners.
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Originally Posted by Zzyzx
.. all this jabber about SRT-4s, and I still havent been beaten by one.
Regarding the Redline... It probably will be a fun car, may not be a good car for racing (And I mean Autocross/road racing not drag) but that remains to be seen as Saturn has made some pretty good chassis in the past. We'll just have to wait and see.
Regarding the Redline... It probably will be a fun car, may not be a good car for racing (And I mean Autocross/road racing not drag) but that remains to be seen as Saturn has made some pretty good chassis in the past. We'll just have to wait and see.
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Originally Posted by nookiemonster
400 whp doesn't mean shiet on an autocross course. Not to mention you'd be in the modified class running against the likes of vettes. I hate to say it this way, but the SRT-4 will make you feel like a rockstar all night long on the dragstrip, but like I said about the Ion, at the end of the night, you get to drive home in the same traffic as the rest of us. Your 400 whp won't mean a thing, and we'll all be enjoying the interiors of our Hondas (or my RX-8), and you can enjoy your craptacular econobox rental car interior.
I'm a firm believer that an outstanding car means alot more than sheer numbers or performance stats. A car is built off of a chassis. Not a motor. The Neon's chassis was never designed to be dynamic enough for a road course. Rightfully so, then, that the SRT-4 is designed for straight line rather than corners. It takes ALOT of thought to engineer a chassis that can give good driver response and keep its composure through the corners. In other words, the way the car "feels" when it drives. One of the biggest myths I've seen floating around here is that it's easier to make a car handle well, than it is get more power out of it. The Chassis is what it's about.
The SRT-4 and other cars like it are like the Andre the Giant of cars. Powerful, yes, but well balanced? No. I'll take a car that more resembles Bruce Lee. Enough power to get the job done, but with more finesse and nimbleness to dance around the competition. Not to mention, that I would not enjoy driving a FWD car with that much power. AWD and RWD are far superior as far as I'm concerned. One thing I've noticed is that the legendary FWD cars have never been renouned for their straightline performance, but rather their characteristics in the corners.
It's like I said. Quit bitching, and just buy what you like. If we all were in the same school of thought we'd all be driving the same thing.
I'm a firm believer that an outstanding car means alot more than sheer numbers or performance stats. A car is built off of a chassis. Not a motor. The Neon's chassis was never designed to be dynamic enough for a road course. Rightfully so, then, that the SRT-4 is designed for straight line rather than corners. It takes ALOT of thought to engineer a chassis that can give good driver response and keep its composure through the corners. In other words, the way the car "feels" when it drives. One of the biggest myths I've seen floating around here is that it's easier to make a car handle well, than it is get more power out of it. The Chassis is what it's about.
The SRT-4 and other cars like it are like the Andre the Giant of cars. Powerful, yes, but well balanced? No. I'll take a car that more resembles Bruce Lee. Enough power to get the job done, but with more finesse and nimbleness to dance around the competition. Not to mention, that I would not enjoy driving a FWD car with that much power. AWD and RWD are far superior as far as I'm concerned. One thing I've noticed is that the legendary FWD cars have never been renouned for their straightline performance, but rather their characteristics in the corners.
It's like I said. Quit bitching, and just buy what you like. If we all were in the same school of thought we'd all be driving the same thing.
And driving home, I feel fine. people finally start to know what the car is. All the ricers want to race. that can be annoying.
I think it's a really sexy looking car, especially with the mean *** front end. i have no problem driving it anywhere with my head held high
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Rep Power: 305 You were also dissing up the Hondas even though you owned one before this stupid Neon came out, and now all of sudden your a drag racer comeon gimme a break!. How could you diss S2000, Prelude, Civic Type R, Integra Type R Neon SRT-4 Can't even compare to those cars. 
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Originally Posted by DodgeNeonSRT-4
for the millionth time, I'm a drag only guy. I don't give a damn about corners...I never see any.
And driving home, I feel fine. people finally start to know what the car is. All the ricers want to race. that can be annoying.
I think it's a really sexy looking car, especially with the mean *** front end. i have no problem driving it anywhere with my head held high
And driving home, I feel fine. people finally start to know what the car is. All the ricers want to race. that can be annoying.
I think it's a really sexy looking car, especially with the mean *** front end. i have no problem driving it anywhere with my head held high
they are the biggest thing in all performance magazines right now. it is the only car that bridges the importmarket with the domestic. It is the oddball of the group so of course its going to be hated by both sides alot.
first off miata that zzyx wants is same thing as the srt-4
fun though it is in the twisties and amazing, interior is every bit as *** as the srt-4 no room there.
rx8?!?! **** I know alot people hate the style of that car even more than a neon!!! I know rx7 owners that bash the car because its slower and uglier than thiers they say. Hell i heard them say they want them to sell so they can get their new rx7! hoping mazda would make a 2 door coupe and loose the rx8. dodge neon srt-4 made grand tourismo can see lots of fun going to happen with that thing!!!!
I see miatas and rx8's get less respect than neons by almost every other car class.. other than autocross junkies...
europeans love rx-8 top gears sports car of the year. Its the market you sell too.
dodge srt-4 is a nitch! those that want performance for the buck. living in cali all I see is srt-4's rarely see the good old neons.
just wanted to say that none these cars are pos cars..
A POS car is a car that fails in sales example GTO sold less than the aztech last year lol
so stop bashing the car.....
for 15 to 17 used its a bargain and thats with low mileage. dont buy it new beacues drops in value so damn fast like every american car even the corvettes!
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not in drag there's not. 
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Originally Posted by nindoo
You were also dissing up the Hondas even though you owned one before this stupid Neon came out, and now all of sudden your a drag racer comeon gimme a break!. How could you diss S2000, Prelude, Civic Type R, Integra Type R Neon SRT-4 Can't even compare to those cars.
and in drag...
Integra type R
civic type R
prelude
s2k
I'd walk all of them...not even close
now in autox it would be a much different story...which is why I don't autocross
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Originally Posted by WhiteCastle
I dont know where 7thgeners say its a shame to have srt-4
they are the biggest thing in all performance magazines right now. it is the only car that bridges the importmarket with the domestic. It is the oddball of the group so of course its going to be hated by both sides alot.
first off miata that zzyx wants is same thing as the srt-4
fun though it is in the twisties and amazing, interior is every bit as *** as the srt-4 no room there.
rx8?!?! **** I know alot people hate the style of that car even more than a neon!!! I know rx7 owners that bash the car because its slower and uglier than thiers they say. Hell i heard them say they want them to sell so they can get their new rx7! hoping mazda would make a 2 door coupe and loose the rx8. dodge neon srt-4 made grand tourismo can see lots of fun going to happen with that thing!!!!
I see miatas and rx8's get less respect than neons by almost every other car class.. other than autocross junkies...
europeans love rx-8 top gears sports car of the year. Its the market you sell too.
dodge srt-4 is a nitch! those that want performance for the buck. living in cali all I see is srt-4's rarely see the good old neons.
just wanted to say that none these cars are pos cars..
A POS car is a car that fails in sales example GTO sold less than the aztech last year lol
so stop bashing the car.....
for 15 to 17 used its a bargain and thats with low mileage. dont buy it new beacues drops in value so damn fast like every american car even the corvettes!
they are the biggest thing in all performance magazines right now. it is the only car that bridges the importmarket with the domestic. It is the oddball of the group so of course its going to be hated by both sides alot.
first off miata that zzyx wants is same thing as the srt-4
fun though it is in the twisties and amazing, interior is every bit as *** as the srt-4 no room there.
rx8?!?! **** I know alot people hate the style of that car even more than a neon!!! I know rx7 owners that bash the car because its slower and uglier than thiers they say. Hell i heard them say they want them to sell so they can get their new rx7! hoping mazda would make a 2 door coupe and loose the rx8. dodge neon srt-4 made grand tourismo can see lots of fun going to happen with that thing!!!!
I see miatas and rx8's get less respect than neons by almost every other car class.. other than autocross junkies...
europeans love rx-8 top gears sports car of the year. Its the market you sell too.
dodge srt-4 is a nitch! those that want performance for the buck. living in cali all I see is srt-4's rarely see the good old neons.
just wanted to say that none these cars are pos cars..
A POS car is a car that fails in sales example GTO sold less than the aztech last year lol
so stop bashing the car.....
for 15 to 17 used its a bargain and thats with low mileage. dont buy it new beacues drops in value so damn fast like every american car even the corvettes!
That's because all the kids on here think their 1.7L d17 piece of crap motor (as far as performance, it's a god to fuel economy and long life) makes their civic a ****ing racecar. They think that even bone stock there is no one on earth that can beat them.
Where did the love for cars in general go? This thread isn't even about the srt-4, but once again someone sees my username and starts a flame war. punks.
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But please man don't go around calling Hondas crap and all. Every car has its positives. The fact of the matter is a Honda civic is more race inspired than a Neon Srt-4. You have to agree about it.
Neon SRT-4 does not walk a s2000 in a straight line. I think their 1/4 mile times are similar and the s2000 is slightly quicker to 60.
If HP was so important I think we should go buy Aveo's, Sunfires GTs and Cavalier Z24's over civics. Come on of course not.
But please man don't go around calling Hondas crap and all. Every car has its positives. The fact of the matter is a Honda civic is more race inspired than a Neon Srt-4. You have to agree about it.
Neon SRT-4 does not walk a s2000 in a straight line. I think their 1/4 mile times are similar and the s2000 is slightly quicker to 60.
If HP was so important I think we should go buy Aveo's, Sunfires GTs and Cavalier Z24's over civics. Come on of course not.
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Originally Posted by AdamOSU
I believe in Nindoo's post, he is not talking about comparing in terms of drag racing, which is what it always comes down to for an SRT-4. He is talking about the whole picture.
He knows it to. Have you read my previous posts about balance and chassis. Honda has the only FWD cars dthat race against A86 corrolas and 240sx in the winding moutains. Somethig no one can deny.
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Originally Posted by WhiteCastle
rx8?!?! **** I know alot people hate the style of that car even more than a neon!!! I know rx7 owners that bash the car because its slower and uglier than thiers they say. Hell i heard them say they want them to sell so they can get their new rx7! hoping mazda would make a 2 door coupe and loose the rx8.
If you adjust for inflation the FD3S would sell for 50,000 today. That's alot of money for a niche car. That's why it was such a financial nightmare for Mazda, and they were pulled in 1995. Mazda chose, like Nissan, to get back to the roots of where these cars came from. Affordable, sporty, and fun.
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Originally Posted by nindoo
Its all fun and games, until you start hitting below the belt.
But please man don't go around calling Hondas crap and all. Every car has its positives. The fact of the matter is a Honda civic is more race inspired than a Neon Srt-4. You have to agree about it.
Neon SRT-4 does not walk a s2000 in a straight line. I think their 1/4 mile times are similar and the s2000 is slightly quicker to 60.
If HP was so important I think we should go buy Aveo's, Sunfires GTs and Cavalier Z24's over civics. Come on of course not.
But please man don't go around calling Hondas crap and all. Every car has its positives. The fact of the matter is a Honda civic is more race inspired than a Neon Srt-4. You have to agree about it.
Neon SRT-4 does not walk a s2000 in a straight line. I think their 1/4 mile times are similar and the s2000 is slightly quicker to 60.
If HP was so important I think we should go buy Aveo's, Sunfires GTs and Cavalier Z24's over civics. Come on of course not.
I would call a couple tenths of a second a walk. And if I had a brand new srt-4 vs. a brand new s2k and I had the price difference to mod mine...it would be a couple seconds difference.
I would know. my mom tries to race me all the time. she's an equally skilled (and on some days) better racer than me, and it's still ugly by how much my srt-4 wins.
as for the "total picture" comment, the total picture is an opinion. my total picture is pure speed. I don't give a fvck about how it does in the swervies, whether the thing has I.C.E. or a bling bling interior or a smooth ride. the bottom line for me is ET. think 1992 viper - no creature comforts, all about performance - that's my style. your "total picture" I'm sure is very different.
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Originally Posted by nindoo
He knows it to. Have you read my previous posts about balance and chassis. Honda has the only FWD cars dthat race against A86 corrolas and 240sx in the winding moutains. Somethig no one can deny.
