Mazdaspeed 3
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Mazdaspeed 3
There is much speculation, that this will be the successor to the Mazdaspeed Protege. It is not confirmed, but rumor has it, that it will be an AWD turbocharged beast. We can only hope, we see it sometime, and that Japan doesn't give us the finger with this car also. The next mazdaspeed car is slated to be the MX-5 Miata, then the AWD Mazdaspeed 6. So, methinks that this will be out in 2006 maybe?
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http://www.triplezoom.com/news/publish/article_99.shtml
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The only thing that sucks, is that the Mazda 3 has even more
options than the 6 does. Dammit, why should they get HID's, Nav, etc...
options than the 6 does. Dammit, why should they get HID's, Nav, etc...
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Rep Power: 0 I'm really tired of people equating Mazda and Ford, really, Mazda makes amazing cars and Fords are well..Fords.
At least Mazda still makes it's cars in Japan, which is more than I can say for all of our American-made Civics (not that they've proven exceedingly problem-riddled =])
At least Mazda still makes it's cars in Japan, which is more than I can say for all of our American-made Civics (not that they've proven exceedingly problem-riddled =])
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which is more than I can say for all of our American-made Civics (not that they've proven exceedingly problem-riddled =])
which is more than I can say for all of our American-made Civics (not that they've proven exceedingly problem-riddled =])
American-made Civics?
most Civics are assembled here in the US but the parts are made in Japan which means those parts are still built following Japanesse rules and regulations.
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Technically the Focus is a glorified 3. The 3 came out first and the next gen Focus will be based off of it.
Technically the Focus is a glorified 3. The 3 came out first and the next gen Focus will be based off of it.
http://www.caranddriver.com/article....rticle_id=7173
"That's interesting because the Mazda 3 is, in all essentials, a Focusnot the current model, but the new small Ford that appears in Europe as the C-Max minivan this autumn and worldwide as a five-door hatchback in 2004.
The current Protegé has nothing in common with the Focus or its predecessor, the Escort. Mazda's new plan required its small car to be an integral part of the Ford C1 family, along with the new Focus and the replacement for the Volvo S40/V40. Ford doesn't talk about platforms anymore; this is global shared technology, where each company is able to pick and choose from a basket of components and systems. But look at an unclothed Mazda 3 and examine its specs, and it's clear it shares the elements that make the current Focus such a good, fun-to-drive all-around car."
http://www.tiscali.co.uk/motoring/ro...est_821_1.html
"Mazda's Ford-driven, design-centred rebirth continues with a replacement for the anonymous 323, named Mazda 3 to tie in with the Mondeo-rivalling Mazda 6 and the supermini-sized, and Fiesta-based, Mazda2. It's based on the Ford empire's C1 platform which has already spawned the Focus C-Max compact MPV, underpins Volvo's next S40 and will be found under the next-generation Focus. So, with its Focus genes, the new Mazda has every chance of being a car that's fun to drive, thus fulfilling Mazda's 'zoom-zoom' credo. ('It's not just a marketing slogan, it defines the core of the brand,' say Mazda's marketing men.)
The Mazda 3 was styled in Japan and is built there."
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Where's nookiemonster when you need him...
Where's nookiemonster when you need him...
Well, just to clarify, Ford owns 30% of Mazda, which in Japan is considered the controlling share holder. Ford makes shitty cars yes, but as a international investor is very smart. They know their cars suck, so what do they do? They go out and buy the controlling shares of not only Mazda, but Jaguar, Aston Martin, and Land Rover.
Ford has made it clear that these companies although Ford investments, will operate completely independent of the Parent company. Ford doesn't want to impede on the competition. Their take on it, is that if you can own the competition and make money off of foreign manufacturers, then they don't need to butt in with their own R & D. This my friends is why Mazda, Jaguar, Aston Martin, and Land Rover will remain distinct independent companies, but of course crappy Ford makes money off of them.
Ford does however, take the liberty of using some of their technologies. This is also seen in the Nissan-Renault situation. Why do you think the Focus is such a better car then every car that Ford has come up with in the past? Ford also makes their technology available to the daughter companies under the daughter companies' own discretion. Hence Jaguar borrowing some of the Taurus components.
Keep in mind that Mitsubishi, Toyota, and Subaru have serious alliances with American companies as well. Love Impreza so much? GM owns substantial shares in Subaru stock. Your arguments that Mazdas are Fords holds little ground when you look at where Mazda actually comes from and how it operates. I'd venture to say that my civic is more of an american car than my Mazda. My civic is a coupe afterall...never seen one of those in Japan anyways.
Take a look at Mazda. Their cars are manufactured AND ASSEMBLED (can't say that much for my civic) in Hofu/Hiroshima Japan. Very few Japanese manufacturers still practice this. Mazda takes alot of pride in its cars, and in building them in their home country. Mazda is also the only country to win the 24 Hour Le Mans Endurance Championship.
Basically what Ford is doing is trying to build an international Monopoly by owning a piece of every market. If you had the money to do it, you would too. Imagine having a piece of the European, Japanese, and Domestic market. Serious money to be made off of companies who already know what they're doing. So Ford is just there from an investment standpoint. Which is a VERY GOOD thing. It's Ford's money which is helping Mazda to R&D the amazing cars that they are currently turning out.
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they are mostly assembled by machines in most situations, and the workers are just as "enthused" as any others.... why do you think hondas dont cost more than they do? if they had to import the damn cars already made from japan, the price would be quite a bit higher...
they are mostly assembled by machines in most situations, and the workers are just as "enthused" as any others.... why do you think hondas dont cost more than they do? if they had to import the damn cars already made from japan, the price would be quite a bit higher...
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Rep Power: 329 Is that so? My car was manufactured and assembled in Japan, and I got it for the same price I paid for my civic. Explain that one. And I hate to say it, but the build quality, fit and finish, and overall design is much better than my civic. I love both of my cars, but even ask Fraga...the quality of Mazda is really starting to outclass other Japanese companies lately.
Turn on your TV to CNN Moneyworld or whatever it's called sometime when they show the Detroit prodcution plants. I see alot of people working in there tightening bolts, and fitting body panels together. Assemby lines do have alot of machines doing the work, but make no mistake about it--there are plenty of workers putting their own craftsmanship to the test.
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what difference does it make where the car is assembled anyways?
they are mostly assembled by machines in most situations, and the workers are just as "enthused" as any others....
what difference does it make where the car is assembled anyways?
they are mostly assembled by machines in most situations, and the workers are just as "enthused" as any others....
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I'm really tired of people equating Mazda and Ford, really, Mazda makes amazing cars and Fords are well..Fords.
At least Mazda still makes it's cars in Japan, which is more than I can say for all of our American-made Civics (not that they've proven exceedingly problem-riddled =])
I'm really tired of people equating Mazda and Ford, really, Mazda makes amazing cars and Fords are well..Fords.
At least Mazda still makes it's cars in Japan, which is more than I can say for all of our American-made Civics (not that they've proven exceedingly problem-riddled =])
They are not as well built or reliable as Hondas, but they have very capable designers and have been working toward higher quality vehicles. Should they have taken Deming's advice decades ago on quality control? Absolutely, but don't rag on their **** when they are practically the ONLY American company even making any progress at all. So be "tired" of the equating, but at least know wtf you are talking about.
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