Interest in ported heads?
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Catalyst are you having this done to your head? If so are you going to post numbers after you've had it done. Might be nice to see some NA numbers as well.
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Rep Power: 312 Yes, Dave is finishing up my head as we speak. It is the same exact PnP work as what you will get with the GB.
Drk01, you live in QH? Come to the lacr meet tomorrow. look in the socal forum for more details.
Drk01, you live in QH? Come to the lacr meet tomorrow. look in the socal forum for more details.
Originally posted by Catalyst
runaway, do you know who Dave Hickman is? He was the first person to run a honda into the 9's. Porting a head is WAY different than an intake. And intake only opens up the STOCK head. if you put an intake on a ported head, you will then feel the gains. Dave holds world records with his heads. He is the only person i know who drives a non vtec single cam engine every day, and runs 12's in it.
anyway......
The GB price will be about $650, that is $100 off the full price of the port job. The length of time and number of people will be posted when the heads are available.
runaway, do you know who Dave Hickman is? He was the first person to run a honda into the 9's. Porting a head is WAY different than an intake. And intake only opens up the STOCK head. if you put an intake on a ported head, you will then feel the gains. Dave holds world records with his heads. He is the only person i know who drives a non vtec single cam engine every day, and runs 12's in it.
anyway......
The GB price will be about $650, that is $100 off the full price of the port job. The length of time and number of people will be posted when the heads are available.
Only 750 normally?! daaamn.......what all does that include?
Originally posted by Drk01Civic
That seems expensive for a P & P. I might pay that if I just handed them my car, but that is too much for the head already off.
That seems expensive for a P & P. I might pay that if I just handed them my car, but that is too much for the head already off.
^ He has a very good point
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Rep Power: 0 I didn't post that to be a jackass, I'm just saying if you can get those kinds of numbers, then why isn't everyone else doing this? I'm hearing a lot of high horsepower claims, yet doesn't sound too expensive. For example, Stage 3 at KMS costs $1,500, claims to be 50-75 horsepower gain. That only comes down to rougly $20 per horse. If that was the case, aftermarket stuff must be waaaay overpriced. With that in mind, if I'm going to spend over $500 on something to improve the performance of my car, is it too much to ask for a dyno? (what, $75 to do?)
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Rep Power: 0 Well port and polish isn't exactly the same in complexity as an intake. An intake is just a filter on a stick. Frankly intakes probably have an actual value of $20 in terms of manufacturing costs.
Port and polish takes a lot more expertise and know-how of the engine.
Runaway Soul, you gotta be a bit more patient. They haven't even done the p & p on Catalyst's car yet and you're demanding results? You can't have results when it hasn't even been finished.
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Port and polish takes a lot more expertise and know-how of the engine.
Runaway Soul, you gotta be a bit more patient. They haven't even done the p & p on Catalyst's car yet and you're demanding results? You can't have results when it hasn't even been finished.
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Rep Power: 0 It has been done before, just not by that guy. They may be different, but the results shouldn't be worlds apart. However, I know the reputation of this man is excellent, so top dollar is fine with me, especially with all the bogus and crap surrounding the aftermarket world. (Anyone remember Gude?? lol) I didn't mean to smash every post to peices, I am just exasperrated about the whole mods thing right now.
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Rep Power: 312 Dave has a unique style of ports. his "Dport" design is awesome. I just saw one of my ports today, and it is the nicest work i have seen on a honda head. Believe me, this will make a world of difference when it comes to making power.
We are now going to offer custom headers that are port matched to dave's "Dport" design, for all of you NA people.
We are now going to offer custom headers that are port matched to dave's "Dport" design, for all of you NA people.
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Rep Power: 0 Just wondering about something. Can someone get a hold of a LX non vetc head for cheap? I have been doing port and match for some years now on motorcycles (2 stroke) and have done a few chevy and Z car engines. I would be willing to put my stock civic on a dyno and run it to get a baseline then put the modified head on to see the gains. You can really mess up the drivability of something if you get too crazy with port shape. Not wanting to mess up your P & P deal or anything just wanting to see the difference between the two and how the numbers will differ. PM cause I hardly check the boards these days.
Hope your GB will take off BTW.
Hope your GB will take off BTW.
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Rep Power: 0 Are the D-shaped exhaust ports going to be included in the package? Also what about reshaping of the combustion chambers?
Neptune- N/A stands for naturally aspirated. And the head and headers are two different components.
Neptune- N/A stands for naturally aspirated. And the head and headers are two different components.
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Rep Power: 0 you guys are CRAZY complaining about price... this is a DEAL.. this man is a freakin LEGEND!!! seems like catalyst gets flamed no matter what he posts, and its always by people with like an intake and altezzas as their only mod.. you OBVIOUSLY have not been in the scene that long if you dont know his name, or maybe you just dont care about good quality work, you gotta pay to play... and the numbers cat will get on the dyno will prove whats up... youre the man catalyst... once again, its time to shake the haters off...
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Rep Power: 0 we'll all see when he posts a CRAZY 1/4 mile time tonight WITH video... this head makes power for SURE... i wouldnt be shocked to see 35whp with 5.5psi boost....
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Rep Power: 0 I might be interested in a group buy, but like runaway soul said, I'd like to see some tests done on our cars, specifically for an NA application.
Not being cynical or skeptical of his trade, but just in general, people who worked with tweaking the D17 engine had mediocre results (KMS, Gude).
$650 is a fair deal for a P&P. If it gives great gains, I'm all down for it.
Not being cynical or skeptical of his trade, but just in general, people who worked with tweaking the D17 engine had mediocre results (KMS, Gude).
$650 is a fair deal for a P&P. If it gives great gains, I'm all down for it.
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Rep Power: 0 Look, it's not that we don't trust the guy doing the work, but there's something else to it.
You see, we've heard these things before from Gude and KMS, with less than impressive results.
I think I speak for most people when I say that we just don't know if it's going to be worth it, mainly because of the D17. Sure, the guy from whatever might pull XXwhp on a B-series engine, but come on: It's a B-series engine, DOHC.
We have got a SOHC ULEV engine. It's just hard to believe right now...
But if it does turn out some decent numbers, put me down on the list.
You see, we've heard these things before from Gude and KMS, with less than impressive results.
I think I speak for most people when I say that we just don't know if it's going to be worth it, mainly because of the D17. Sure, the guy from whatever might pull XXwhp on a B-series engine, but come on: It's a B-series engine, DOHC.
We have got a SOHC ULEV engine. It's just hard to believe right now...
But if it does turn out some decent numbers, put me down on the list.
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Rep Power: 0 I am not flaming catalyst at all. I am just keeping my guard up. I am not ignorant, I keep my eyes open for good mods. People with turbos tend to get great horsepower out of everything. I don't care for the turbo right now. All I am asking for is results. People have been burned by Gude and maybe KMS (although I've heard nothing but good things about KMS), so I'm sorry if I'm a little too guarded.
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Rep Power: 0 There is nothing really wrong with the KMS Manifold.....It really works with FI or a good tuning with a cam gear and or VAFC/AFC, but that's another topic...I'll wait to see the numbers like everyone else and then if it's worth it...I'll be another person down with the group buy.
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Rep Power: 0 Yeah, I went to KMS to pick the IM when it was done....John has a nice shop and the NA 7th gen civic was there...I wanted to drive it, but John was developing the Valve springs for it
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Rep Power: 0 Whatever we are working on 2 D17 Civics right now that are running 12 and
13's. We could make a custom intake manifold if you sent yours in. That
would be $450, Our Billet Throttle Body $350, Porting your head with
exchange would be $500. If you send your pulley in to me (You wouldnt be
able to use AC or Power Steering), it would be $350 to have a crank pulley
made for you being we would have to pay for the labor to get the new program
written for the custom pulley. Let me know. You would see some HUGE power
out of just this. Thanks again.
This is what he told me.
13's. We could make a custom intake manifold if you sent yours in. That
would be $450, Our Billet Throttle Body $350, Porting your head with
exchange would be $500. If you send your pulley in to me (You wouldnt be
able to use AC or Power Steering), it would be $350 to have a crank pulley
made for you being we would have to pay for the labor to get the new program
written for the custom pulley. Let me know. You would see some HUGE power
out of just this. Thanks again.
This is what he told me.
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by jrock2324
Whatever we are working on 2 D17 Civics right now that are running 12 and
13's. We could make a custom intake manifold if you sent yours in. That
would be $450, Our Billet Throttle Body $350, Porting your head with
exchange would be $500. If you send your pulley in to me (You wouldnt be
able to use AC or Power Steering), it would be $350 to have a crank pulley
made for you being we would have to pay for the labor to get the new program
written for the custom pulley. Let me know. You would see some HUGE power
out of just this. Thanks again.
This is what he told me.
Whatever we are working on 2 D17 Civics right now that are running 12 and
13's. We could make a custom intake manifold if you sent yours in. That
would be $450, Our Billet Throttle Body $350, Porting your head with
exchange would be $500. If you send your pulley in to me (You wouldnt be
able to use AC or Power Steering), it would be $350 to have a crank pulley
made for you being we would have to pay for the labor to get the new program
written for the custom pulley. Let me know. You would see some HUGE power
out of just this. Thanks again.
This is what he told me.
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Rep Power: 0 If KMS really has a 12 sec civic, why did the dude with the KMS mods disappear from this site? If KMS really had an awesome NA car, I don't think it'd be shrouded in obscurity as it is now. Good mods get good raves, like the SF turbo (well maybe it's just Catalyst marketing it well).
There's been so many threads where a guy says "I'm doin X, it's going to be awesome, be givin the results and dyno next week" Next week comes, and he goes. We're all just a little defensive at this point, given that NA mods haven't been reassuring.
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There's been so many threads where a guy says "I'm doin X, it's going to be awesome, be givin the results and dyno next week" Next week comes, and he goes. We're all just a little defensive at this point, given that NA mods haven't been reassuring.
-Aki
