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depends on what stage you go. I can only speak for the research I've done on the 7thgen, but stage 1 requires no mods. Stage 2/3 requires titanium retainers and springs, along with fuel management, and maybe some head notching.
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right right... but idk i dont want to get a stage 1 cam and than have to buy a stage 2 or 3 after. I dont think that would be cost effective considering i have to do some of the things you mentioned (titanium retainers etc) anyways. If anything ill do stage 2 so its nothing too crazy but their was some compensation along with it.
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Just to throw prices at you, to give you an idea of what you're getting into. Again, using 7thgen numbers, because that's what I know.
All crower cams (stage 1, stage 2 N/A, Stage 2 turbo, stage 3) for the D17A2 are all the same price: ~$390
Titanium springs/retainer kit required for stage 2/3: ~$300
Fuel management: $500-1000+
Tuning costs: usually about $100/hr (one place I've visited charges $150 for the first hour, $100 per hour after that)
Just a cherry on top, a good accessory gauge to have is a wideband a/f gauge: ~$300
The good tune is what's going to make or break the setup. A crap tune can end up costing you an engine. That said, more experienced tuners that know exactly what they're doing tend to get more expensive.
Putting all that together, for a stage 1, you're looking at ~$400. That's not including any sealant (rtv) or gaskets you may need to replace in the process. For a stage 2 or 3, assuming you find a good EMS for $600 and tuning takes 2 hours, you're looking at about $1800-1900, just for the cam. Just some food for thought.
All crower cams (stage 1, stage 2 N/A, Stage 2 turbo, stage 3) for the D17A2 are all the same price: ~$390
Titanium springs/retainer kit required for stage 2/3: ~$300
Fuel management: $500-1000+
Tuning costs: usually about $100/hr (one place I've visited charges $150 for the first hour, $100 per hour after that)
Just a cherry on top, a good accessory gauge to have is a wideband a/f gauge: ~$300
The good tune is what's going to make or break the setup. A crap tune can end up costing you an engine. That said, more experienced tuners that know exactly what they're doing tend to get more expensive.
Putting all that together, for a stage 1, you're looking at ~$400. That's not including any sealant (rtv) or gaskets you may need to replace in the process. For a stage 2 or 3, assuming you find a good EMS for $600 and tuning takes 2 hours, you're looking at about $1800-1900, just for the cam. Just some food for thought.
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Just to throw prices at you, to give you an idea of what you're getting into. Again, using 7thgen numbers, because that's what I know.
All crower cams (stage 1, stage 2 N/A, Stage 2 turbo, stage 3) for the D17A2 are all the same price: ~$390
Titanium springs/retainer kit required for stage 2/3: ~$300
Fuel management: $500-1000+
Tuning costs: usually about $100/hr (one place I've visited charges $150 for the first hour, $100 per hour after that)
Just a cherry on top, a good accessory gauge to have is a wideband a/f gauge: ~$300
The good tune is what's going to make or break the setup. A crap tune can end up costing you an engine. That said, more experienced tuners that know exactly what they're doing tend to get more expensive.
Putting all that together, for a stage 1, you're looking at ~$400. That's not including any sealant (rtv) or gaskets you may need to replace in the process. For a stage 2 or 3, assuming you find a good EMS for $600 and tuning takes 2 hours, you're looking at about $1800-1900, just for the cam. Just some food for thought.
All crower cams (stage 1, stage 2 N/A, Stage 2 turbo, stage 3) for the D17A2 are all the same price: ~$390
Titanium springs/retainer kit required for stage 2/3: ~$300
Fuel management: $500-1000+
Tuning costs: usually about $100/hr (one place I've visited charges $150 for the first hour, $100 per hour after that)
Just a cherry on top, a good accessory gauge to have is a wideband a/f gauge: ~$300
The good tune is what's going to make or break the setup. A crap tune can end up costing you an engine. That said, more experienced tuners that know exactly what they're doing tend to get more expensive.
Putting all that together, for a stage 1, you're looking at ~$400. That's not including any sealant (rtv) or gaskets you may need to replace in the process. For a stage 2 or 3, assuming you find a good EMS for $600 and tuning takes 2 hours, you're looking at about $1800-1900, just for the cam. Just some food for thought.
thanks brother that helped a lot
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again, the stage 1 that does not need any other changes are the ones for D17A2.
Looking at this site here, i assume the cams are interchangeable between the B18A1 and the B20B, but don't quote me on that. You might need call the manufacturer for if that true.
http://www.camshaftshop.com/products.php?categoryid=240
If above is true, looking at the Crower site, there's no stage 1 either. but you could get some info there, or just call them for details.
http://www.briancrower.com/makes/honda/b18ab18b.shtml
other than that, what xRiceboyx said should be heeded - he knows why the tune is the most important piece by experience
Looking at this site here, i assume the cams are interchangeable between the B18A1 and the B20B, but don't quote me on that. You might need call the manufacturer for if that true.
http://www.camshaftshop.com/products.php?categoryid=240
If above is true, looking at the Crower site, there's no stage 1 either. but you could get some info there, or just call them for details.
http://www.briancrower.com/makes/honda/b18ab18b.shtml
other than that, what xRiceboyx said should be heeded - he knows why the tune is the most important piece by experience
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again, the stage 1 that does not need any other changes are the ones for D17A2.
Looking at this site here, i assume the cams are interchangeable between the B18A1 and the B20B, but don't quote me on that. You might need call the manufacturer for if that true.
http://www.camshaftshop.com/products.php?categoryid=240
If above is true, looking at the Crower site, there's no stage 1 either. but you could get some info there, or just call them for details.
http://www.briancrower.com/makes/honda/b18ab18b.shtml
other than that, what xRiceboyx said should be heeded - he knows why the tune is the most important piece by experience
Looking at this site here, i assume the cams are interchangeable between the B18A1 and the B20B, but don't quote me on that. You might need call the manufacturer for if that true.
http://www.camshaftshop.com/products.php?categoryid=240
If above is true, looking at the Crower site, there's no stage 1 either. but you could get some info there, or just call them for details.
http://www.briancrower.com/makes/honda/b18ab18b.shtml
other than that, what xRiceboyx said should be heeded - he knows why the tune is the most important piece by experience
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