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Old 11-25-2010
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So for idk a bajillion months ive been trying to diagnose my cars idle issue, and sluggishness. It only happens on cold cranks, for the most part. As of lately ive noticed my battery getting lower and lower on voltage and whenever it sputters and misses under a cold crank idle i notice my lights dim just a hair slightly, but its getting worse. Now the question is if it is my alternator (which im almost 100% sure it is) would that cause the idle drop and the sputtering and if so why only under a cold crank? not enough voltage to the fuel pump?
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Re: gonna sound dumb....but ill ask

Take it to Autozone and have them test the alternator and battery.
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Re: gonna sound dumb....but ill ask

i can test it myself. I just wanna know if im in the right area or not? The only other issue i can think it would be is out of adjustment on the valves. I do have valve tap Ive went through easily $600 worth of parts and countless nights.....Just wanna end this nightmare.
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Re: gonna sound dumb....but ill ask

Dimming of the lights during cranking is low voltage from the battery but, if your battery is getting drained then check the alternator. When the alternator doesn't charge right the system pulls voltage from the battery hence a slowly drained battery. Also, it never hurts to look for exposed/broken wires, bad connectors, and bad grounds.
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Re: gonna sound dumb....but ill ask

well i knew that. I was just wondering if it could affect the fuel pump or ecu to the point of it causing a miss at cold engine idles and the occasional stall?
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Re: gonna sound dumb....but ill ask

Yes, low voltage can cause problems with any and all electrical systems. no voltage= no work

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Re: gonna sound dumb....but ill ask

Am I missing something.

Your almost a hundred percent sure its your alternator causing the problem, you can check it yourself and you haven't. Go check the alternator and see if its good.
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Re: gonna sound dumb....but ill ask

didnt notice the dimming til tonight chief......after it had already been nightfall. kinda hard to diag with no light. Ima dmm test it tomorrow, but what doesnt make sense is that its only on cold cranks though.....once it warms up its ok....
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Re: gonna sound dumb....but ill ask

Kinda sounds like a parasitic draw. Check the battery and alternator first then we can diagnose further.

On another note, if it was me I'd pull that b**ch in the garage and check it but, it's 36 degrees outside. That's really cold for a texan. lol
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Re: gonna sound dumb....but ill ask

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didnt notice the dimming til tonight chief......after it had already been nightfall. kinda hard to diag with no light. Ima dmm test it tomorrow, but what doesnt make sense is that its only on cold cranks though.....once it warms up its ok....
Okay, makes sense now. Thanks for clarifying.
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Re: gonna sound dumb....but ill ask

id do that but the garage is already occupied....lol. FLA weather isnt bad we just live kinda on the outskirts so its really dark here. Ive been fighting this car for almost a year. I really dont want to have to do an r&r, but more and more its looking that way. Ima check the voltage tomorrow and check the termostat housing coolant sensor along with the one on the side of the head. Its got to be something stupid, cause its only on a cold engine, after it warms up its ok....idles a little high, but nonetheless no stalling or missing.
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Re: gonna sound dumb....but ill ask

High idle could be dirty IACV or throttlebody or most probably a vacuum leak but, I digress. I don't know for sure but, I think you have a heated O2 sensor. It's heated if it's a 4 wire. Check the heater circuit side of the sensor.
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Re: gonna sound dumb....but ill ask

yea im a 4wire setup. iacv fitv and tb were just replaced this week lol
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Re: gonna sound dumb....but ill ask

battery tested at 12.0-12.5 with car off and 14.0-14.5 with it running its charging alright alternator tested ok as well. Put in a new o2 sensor....still no change....idfk anymore lol?
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