Fixing the understeering buffalo....
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Rep Power: 399 Fixing the understeering buffalo....
So I had one of those days. One of the aweful ones where its not me vs. everyone else, its me vs. my own damn car.
I was like "Turn Bitch" and it was saying "Fu(k off, I'm going straight", then I'd say slow down, and it'd be like "I don't wanna". Yeah... one of those days where you drive the car and you think you're doing fine, everyone else thinks the car isn't out of shape, yet it refuses to do what you want it to do. According to the local grey hairs, at some point, its the car's fault, and they think I hit it again. SO... moving right along. I need some way to get rid of my plow.
3 options present themselves...
1. Big *** rear sway bar. I'm running a 19 right now, which leaves open 22-26mm options from OEM JDM Honda, Progress, Comptech, Mugen, etc... ranging anywhere from $90 to $600
2. Smaller front sway bar. The only one I'm aware of is the 16mm OEM 03/04 Honda sway bar, I don't know the price, but I know its not too bad.
3. 400 or 425 lb front springs. This is opposed to the 500 currently in there. The only thing is these are a pain in the *** to change and I just paid for an alignment, don't feel like doing it again yet. $130 + alignment
So any thoughts on which might work better? Or am I looking at equal function from either end. I'm kinda thinking just making the car oversteer more won't really solve the problem, and i need to loosen up the front first and see what happens. But I'm not sure. Thoughts?
I was like "Turn Bitch" and it was saying "Fu(k off, I'm going straight", then I'd say slow down, and it'd be like "I don't wanna". Yeah... one of those days where you drive the car and you think you're doing fine, everyone else thinks the car isn't out of shape, yet it refuses to do what you want it to do. According to the local grey hairs, at some point, its the car's fault, and they think I hit it again. SO... moving right along. I need some way to get rid of my plow.
3 options present themselves...
1. Big *** rear sway bar. I'm running a 19 right now, which leaves open 22-26mm options from OEM JDM Honda, Progress, Comptech, Mugen, etc... ranging anywhere from $90 to $600
2. Smaller front sway bar. The only one I'm aware of is the 16mm OEM 03/04 Honda sway bar, I don't know the price, but I know its not too bad.
3. 400 or 425 lb front springs. This is opposed to the 500 currently in there. The only thing is these are a pain in the *** to change and I just paid for an alignment, don't feel like doing it again yet. $130 + alignment
So any thoughts on which might work better? Or am I looking at equal function from either end. I'm kinda thinking just making the car oversteer more won't really solve the problem, and i need to loosen up the front first and see what happens. But I'm not sure. Thoughts?
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Originally Posted by macrossranma
disable abs, major difference, before i have too much understeer, now i have very good oversteer with abs off. Tire pressure helps a bit too
Not that I'm a pro or anything...but when it was cold out, and the azenis didn't like the track temp....I'd just lower the front psi and it'd behave like I wanted it to. (Front Koni's set to FULL soft, and rear set to FULL FIRM)....there was nothing left for me to do, but drop the front psi. It werked fer me!
I think I went a bit TOO low a few times, but only because I couldn't get my hands on a pump quick enough between runs, or I'd have raised the rear pressure to kick out the *** end...... But either way, I got results.
Just a suggestion...
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Rep Power: 356 The cheepest thing would be to run an 03 Front bar. (About $80) Thats the set up I'm running now, 15.9MM Front 19mm rear. it is SUbstantually better then the 25.4mm front and 19mm rear I was running before. BUT. It still understeers at its limits, So I'm getting the Hotchkiss 25.4mm Hollow Rear bar (2 Position adjustible). Hopefully this will help me close the gap on a lil 89 Si that I have to chase down now.
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Rep Power: 399 Well in given a little bit of a time crunch ( I want it for next weekend), I bought a 22mm rear. As soon as I get some more time, I'll pickup a 16mm front and then go play with it until I get something I like. As far as one of those integrated tiebar/swayber support brackets go.... BoilerFab is on it.
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Rep Power: 294 Just curious, I am thinking about getting a 15mm front bar. Im running on stock suspension, with a 19mm rear bar right now, i'm wondering how bad this will make the car handle on the street. My fiance drives the car on occasion & i'd hate to see it go into the wall or something like that with her in it, I dont want it to be dangerous. I'm pretty shure it would be ok on azenies, but what about cruising down the freeway on my normal Kumho 712s??
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Rep Power: 356 I daily drive with the 15mm front and 19mm rear with Eibach sportline springs, I've never had an oversteer problem with it unless I was trying to make it oversteer. It grips quite well really, BUt still wants to understeer at its limits.
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Rep Power: 294 ^Another question I just thought of:
How bad is the body roll with a 15.9 front bar?? I think im going to get one, but since i'm on stock suspension for a month or so, i'm worried i'll have a ton of body roll with it, untill I can get some stiffer struts(Konis). What kind of difference would you think it would make concerning body roll??
How bad is the body roll with a 15.9 front bar?? I think im going to get one, but since i'm on stock suspension for a month or so, i'm worried i'll have a ton of body roll with it, untill I can get some stiffer struts(Konis). What kind of difference would you think it would make concerning body roll??
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Rep Power: 356 There is more body roll then when I had my 25.4mm front bar... But , body roll isnt really a big deal, as it can be compensated for by running more negitive camber on the front. the handling balance however was really quite nice for a street car. I've since gotten a 25.4mm Rear bar... so far its been fun. Well see how it really handles this weekend.
Konis wont actually reduce body roll, but they will control how fast you get to that Terminal body roll point.
Konis wont actually reduce body roll, but they will control how fast you get to that Terminal body roll point.
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Originally Posted by Zzyzx
that Terminal body roll point.
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I think we've ALL known since Kindergarten.....
Front wheel drive SUCKS!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Zzyzx
There is more body roll then when I had my 25.4mm front bar... But , body roll isnt really a big deal, as it can be compensated for by running more negitive camber on the front.
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Rep Power: 356 Little info on alignments... The proper alignment (Camber Castor and toe) can turn an understeering pig of a car in to a cornering champ.... even on the stock suspension.
Heres a good site, that covers the Racing aspect of alignments.
http://www.ozebiz.com.au/racetech/theory/align.html
Heres a good site, that covers the Racing aspect of alignments.
http://www.ozebiz.com.au/racetech/theory/align.html
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Rep Power: 356 Here are some shots that may show you how much body roll you may get by running the 15.9mm front bar and the 19mm rear bar (With Eibach springs wich are suppose to be about 20% stiffer then stock)
so you can see that there is some body roll , but its not excessive
so you can see that there is some body roll , but its not excessive
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Rep Power: 356 well theres no reall limit, but basically you want to minimize the camber loss you get with body roll. you can do so by either reducing the total amount of body roll or by running More negitive camber (I run about -2 to -2.5 on the front...)
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Originally Posted by jiggerachi
^Another question I just thought of:
How bad is the body roll with a 15.9 front bar?? I think im going to get one, but since i'm on stock suspension for a month or so, i'm worried i'll have a ton of body roll with it, untill I can get some stiffer struts(Konis). What kind of difference would you think it would make concerning body roll??
How bad is the body roll with a 15.9 front bar?? I think im going to get one, but since i'm on stock suspension for a month or so, i'm worried i'll have a ton of body roll with it, untill I can get some stiffer struts(Konis). What kind of difference would you think it would make concerning body roll??
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