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getting a 2004 civic hybrid through emissions [solved]

with IMA error P1600 and P1433.
mine is an automatic.
i just bought it for cheap and it runs great other than the dreaded IMA codes.
175k miles, but in my experience, i will get a 100k more. it is still a Honda.
reset the codes with either a scanner or remove the negative terminal on the 12v lead acid battery for a few seconds and reattach.
i am assuming you have already checked the condition of the 12v lead acid battery, all of the electrical connections and the problem is the hybrid battery only.
drive it like a grandma for about 30 miles. this resets the monitoring functions so that the emission tests will pass, unless you have emission problems.
what i mean about driving it like a grandma is to keep your eye on the IMA usage indicator. if you get much above 4 bars for too long, back off on the throttle, maybe manually down shift to S or L if going up a hill, but keep the IMA assist as low as possible.
pick a route that has a long down hill run and push the brakes enough to charge the hybrid battery but not slow the car much.
just enough to activate the brake lights.
if you can keep the crappy hybrid battery topped off, you have less chance of setting the IMA fault.
i am in Oregon and will not be able to get tested for 3 more days, but i know because of my scanner i will pass.
unless i HAVE to put my foot into it to keep from being fodder from some "other" idiot driver.
i am an old man but will be driving like a grandma.
fingers are crossed.
i will update.








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with IMA error P1600 and P1433.
mine is an automatic.
i just bought it for cheap and it runs great other than the dreaded IMA codes.
175k miles, but in my experience, i will get a 100k more. it is still a Honda.
reset the codes with either a scanner or remove the negative terminal on the 12v lead acid battery for a few seconds and reattach.
i am assuming you have already checked the condition of the 12v lead acid battery, all of the electrical connections and the problem is the hybrid battery only.
drive it like a grandma for about 30 miles. this resets the monitoring functions so that the emission tests will pass, unless you have emission problems.
what i mean about driving it like a grandma is to keep your eye on the IMA usage indicator. if you get much above 4 bars for too long, back off on the throttle, maybe manually down shift to S or L if going up a hill, but keep the IMA assist as low as possible.
pick a route that has a long down hill run and push the brakes enough to charge the hybrid battery but not slow the car much.
just enough to activate the brake lights.
if you can keep the crappy hybrid battery topped off, you have less chance of setting the IMA fault.
i am in Oregon and will not be able to get tested for 3 more days, but i know because of my scanner i will pass.
unless i HAVE to put my foot into it to keep from being fodder from some "other" idiot driver.
i am an old man but will be driving like a grandma.
fingers are crossed
i will update.
update.
2/28/23
passed emission tests.
my battery wasn't as bad as i thought it could be. but i did put it through the discharge/recharge cycle and got lucky.
i think this battery is the third one for this car. first replacement was a recall. third one is a Dorman after market and is in place now, and now shows a charge to full instead of 2/3 max charge. i got lucky. and should get another 100k miles as long as i keep my eye on the battery. not bad for $4500. a non hybrid is $7k for 175k miles of this year. since i do a lot of work out of town, sometimes for months at a time, i will put the grid charger on a cycle timer. maybe 3 hours per week while idle. these cars have a bad reputation, but i think i got a good one. i am the third owner and as far as i can tell all of the recalls have been delt with. weakest link is the hybrid battery. and i think i now have that covered. even if i would have had to fork out $1500 for a refurbished battery, i would still be ahead. on top of that it has roller chain timing. in ten years i may need a new beater. if i live that long.
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re: getting a 2004 civic hybrid through emissions [solved]

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a non hybrid is $7k for 175k miles of this year.
Where are you looking? They’re 1/3 of that where I am.

I can’t imagine anyone rationally spending that much money on a 7th gen civic with almost 200k miles, even in this market. It just doesn’t make sense.
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Portland Oregon. 175k miles is half life to a well maintained Honda Civic. even a Hybrid. in my area, most times when one comes up for sale it is either a piece of crap on its last legs or its a good running car that was well maintained for $7k or more. the original owner bought it new, moved from California and titled it in 2012 at 135k miles in Oregon. they sold it this last December to the guy i bought it from and i got it 2 weeks ago. i have $5k total invested in it and should get at least 10 years of use out of it.
$500 per year plus any maintenance is a pretty cheap car payment. even if i only get 5 years use out of it, $1000 a year plus maintenance is still a cheap car payment.
makes perfect sense to me.​​​​​​​
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re: getting a 2004 civic hybrid through emissions [solved]

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Portland Oregon. 175k miles is half life to a well maintained Honda Civic. even a Hybrid. in my area, most times when one comes up for sale it is either a piece of crap on its last legs or its a good running car that was well maintained for $7k or more. the original owner bought it new, moved from California and titled it in 2012 at 135k miles in Oregon. they sold it this last December to the guy i bought it from and i got it 2 weeks ago. i have $5k total invested in it and should get at least 10 years of use out of it.
$500 per year plus any maintenance is a pretty cheap car payment. even if i only get 5 years use out of it, $1000 a year plus maintenance is still a cheap car payment.
makes perfect sense to me.
I would not expect 350k miles out of many 7th gen civics. This generation seemed too problematic for typical civic durability. Either way, a well maintained one here with fewer miles is about half, and I'm only about 12 hours away.

Hell, my FR-S with 88k miles was $7300 USD back in May.
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re: getting a 2004 civic hybrid through emissions [solved]

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I would not expect 350k miles out of many 7th gen civics.
Oh ye of little faith.
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Re: getting a 2004 civic hybrid through emissions [solved]

as previous Reponses have stated, some have little faith.
i was able to refresh the hybrid battery. with attention to the batteries state, i will get another 100k out of this beater.
with fuel and a little oil that it does not burn.
3 weeks ago the hybrid battery had 174v (full).
today it had 160v.
without my plan on putting it through a cycle timer for 3hrs every 24hrs.
it will be on a cycle timer this month because i will be gone for 3 months.
and when i get home i expect it to start. especially since the 12v battery will now be topped off with a 20w solar panel.
i expected to be bit for $1.5k for a hybrid battery, but got lucky.
money well spent for the equipment to deal with the NiMh battery cycles.
$265 plus the $4500 = 100k miles of usage.
makes sense to me.

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