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rsx s rear sway
dc or neuspeed front upper strut
tein s techs,

here are my questions. do i need new links for the rsx rear sway?
what front sway bar should i get?
what rear strut bar should i grab?
any other suggestions?

 
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theres a million of threads for these, rear sway bar i hear rsx one is good and cheap(scrap yard for like 30 bux). its always good to get new end links cause they will break with a thicker sway bar on them. I have the neuspeed strut bar and love it it doesnt hit my aem intake and i have no worries with it. I dont know if you need a rear strut bar, should make much of a difference unless u are in autox(ask boilermaker, zzyzx, or any other autox er). front i did progress 27mm and progress 22mm rear and my ride feels better on turns on street use if it was autox i know i would get understeer or oversteer)forgot which is which). And for tein s techs i hear they sag in the rear but you will need shocks too if ur doin the rest of ur suspension why skip out on them. Prob. say koni on them if u want tein.
-this is all imo

 
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No, the RSX endlinks are the same as the civic's.
whats the car being setup for? Street? Compitition?
You dont need one, unless you just want to increase the length of your sig...
If you are changing springs it is a VERY good idea to pick up some performance dampers to go with them... and Camber kits Front and rear wouldnt be a bad Idea either... at least then you can get a half way decent alignment rather then the crappy OEM specs.

 
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^^^
that is the most too the point yet still helpful answer I've ever seen

 
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i <3 you zzyzx. im looking for a street set-up. so like daily driving, with agressive turns sometimes. just in case i need to out handling someone else.

 
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I know a lot of guys say its useless but I love my x-brace. I have front upper strut bar(nuspd), x-brace(nuspd), Rsx sway(19mm) with the progress adap kit, and BF goodrich traction ta/t on stock 14's. I love the way it handles now. I know it can be a lot better but those few things make it like a whole new car as far as the way it handles. It only cost me about 650 with the tires(big-o) and everything else off the fs forum and I would say its well worth it.

 
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Ok, Start with the 19mm rear and see how it handles. This is important.. IGNORE BODY ROLL.. look at how the car is actually handling, does it understeer? does it oversteer when and where. this will tell you what you need to tune next.

 
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please explain to me how i am supposed to ignore that? i mean i had a front strut bar before my intake and i felt a difference right away. so thats why i need the DC or neuspeed strut bar for the front. anyway, when i get the sway bar in and install it, ill let you know. thanx.
btw is 40 shipped for a rsx rear sway good? i think its good. im not sure.
is there a difference between the type s and the base model?

 
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40 dollar is good. rsx base and rsx-s rear sway bars were the same(19mm) until 2004(if i remember correctly) after that the rsx-s went up to 21mm. The 19mm is the best for daily driving.

 
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good. the guy is selling me a 04 type s rear sway for 40 shipped.

 
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if i upgrade the rear sway then im gonna need to upgrade the rear tie bar also right? i can find a DC rear tie somewhere.

 
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Strut bars do a completly different job then anti-roll bars... and Strut bars have 0 effect on how much or how little body roll your car has.


I say Ignore it because as a tuner, you should not be tuning to get ride of body roll specifically. you should be tuning to get the cars oversteer/understeer balance to your likeing. If by doing that you reduce the amount of body roll, so be it. but you shouldnt be tuning just to get rid of body roll. See, as far as handling is concerned Body roll really only does two things. 1. it annoys the driver, and 2 it causes a bit of camber loss. So as long as the amount of body roll isnt excessive enough to cause too much camber loss then it pretty much should be ignored.

Case in point, heres a well handling car thats got body roll...

 
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ok. so i should ignore the fact that my one of my 4 wheels jumps off the road? i mean im not being sarcastic or anything. im really curious
but i get your point. understeer bothers me more than anything. when i drop my foot on the accelerator i want it to be percise turning.

 
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you dont need any sort of tie bar of anysort for the sway bar, unless you dont have an oem swaybar to start with (lx, hx, dx) other wise, companies such as progress and i think neuspeed? make adaptors which come with the tie bar. so if you have an ex, all you need is the bar and brushings. btw, for less understeer more oversteer, all you need to do is get a rear sway bar 19 or 22mm like zzyzx said, try 19 see if you like then decide if you wanna go 22mm. 40 bux is a great price that guy gave you so it wont be hard selling. and also you're just looking for street performance so i think 19mm is good enough.

zzyzx correct me if i'm wrong

 
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FWD cars lift the inside rear tire quite regularly.. its not a big deal. (Increasing the effectiveness of the rear bar will acutally cause more of it.)


If you dont like understeer, then your definitly not going to like having a larger front anti-roll bar...

also, what does your alignment look like?

 
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The rsx 19mm really helped the rear end rotate on the track compare to OEM 13mm, yet safe enough from getting into "snap" situtations.
As for understeer, of course there is some, but ur better off this way then doing a 360 in the middle of a turn at 70mph ..
That being said, a good set of tires is the greatest modification you can do compare to some fansy strut bar, brace, etc

 
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my alignment is fine. and im gonna get the 22 mm rear from the 04 rsx. now that i know that its not a big deal to pop a wheel hahaha.

 
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Fine doesnt tell me any thing... and your alignment plays a very big roll in how the car handles...

Little Light reading on alignments and how they influence handling

 
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I don't think their adapter kits come with tie bars. They come with mounting hardware.


they might sag on a sedan but not on a coupe. They actually drop nice.

good thread I'm glad it didn't get locked in the begining.

 
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i heard they do a little on both. and im glad it wasn't locked either hahaha.
zzyxz, i don't think i will go spend 60 bucks to get an alignment thats not needed. but i will be needing one in a month or two when i get them s techs. ill read that alignment sight you posted
EDIT: read. wow. ok. so maybe i should get a camber kit to help the hell out of my car? i didn't realize it would make THAT much of a differnce. anyway, are my stock camber settings not enough? i thought it was just for tire wear. dayam. feels good to get schooled
ok so more qs
1. how do i adjust my camber on my own? should i even try it?
2. should i wait to get them s techs or get an alignment now and then again after?
3. should i grab a camber kit? is it worth it?
4. is that 22mm sway too much?