The new line of coilovers... dont be fooled
The new line of coilovers... dont be fooled Well,
This may make some vendors angry etc, but being in this industry and knowing whats going on hurts me to not tell you guys. Some of the new coilovers that you see (I will not name names but they are the 32 way adjustable, camber plates etc, new to market no name, etc) share similarities that you would not beleive. Its not just that they share these similarities, its that they are in fact all the same.
When we manufactered wheels, The "TR Emotions", they were produced in a factory in China. Now, from becoming friends with the owner of the factory, about 300 different wheel lines including ADR, Some Low end motegi etc where made there. The same applies to these new branded coilovers. THey are all made overseas in china/korea. They come out the same out of the box and then are painted and badged up per company. This way you are recieving a "specialty product".
These coilovers are great with all their features, but have little R&D for Race use and longevity. Take for instance, Omni Power. When they came out, people loved them (not for 7thgen). Now, people are having problems etc and Omni Power Inc. is not a large company like Koni. Even though the guys over there are race inspired, they cant always meet every demand. Sorry to get off topic. In any case, if ur using them on the street, i guess they are ok.
But as saftey advice, try not to use these on tracks a lot. They will not last and from recent posts on Honda-tech, they will fail. Again, I may be going against many of these manufacturers and they may say I am completly wrong, but I have my proffessional opinion. I have not tried these personally, but know the origins of where they are made.
Remember: You get what you pay for
Now, if you guys want alternatives. There are many choices. Many of you know, that when you call us, ill never just suggest something super expensive bc its profitable. We try to survey each customer and provide them with a correct setup if they are using it for street, autox sometimes and mostly street, or all race etc. I would suggest going with companies that you know have been around and make their suspension from Track R&D and not price controls.
Thanks all for listening, its just that this has been on my mind for so long and its time I said it. Again, I may be totally wrong and going against vendors etc so I will appalogize in advance if I offended anyone.
Eddie
This may make some vendors angry etc, but being in this industry and knowing whats going on hurts me to not tell you guys. Some of the new coilovers that you see (I will not name names but they are the 32 way adjustable, camber plates etc, new to market no name, etc) share similarities that you would not beleive. Its not just that they share these similarities, its that they are in fact all the same.
When we manufactered wheels, The "TR Emotions", they were produced in a factory in China. Now, from becoming friends with the owner of the factory, about 300 different wheel lines including ADR, Some Low end motegi etc where made there. The same applies to these new branded coilovers. THey are all made overseas in china/korea. They come out the same out of the box and then are painted and badged up per company. This way you are recieving a "specialty product".
These coilovers are great with all their features, but have little R&D for Race use and longevity. Take for instance, Omni Power. When they came out, people loved them (not for 7thgen). Now, people are having problems etc and Omni Power Inc. is not a large company like Koni. Even though the guys over there are race inspired, they cant always meet every demand. Sorry to get off topic. In any case, if ur using them on the street, i guess they are ok.
But as saftey advice, try not to use these on tracks a lot. They will not last and from recent posts on Honda-tech, they will fail. Again, I may be going against many of these manufacturers and they may say I am completly wrong, but I have my proffessional opinion. I have not tried these personally, but know the origins of where they are made.
Remember: You get what you pay for
Now, if you guys want alternatives. There are many choices. Many of you know, that when you call us, ill never just suggest something super expensive bc its profitable. We try to survey each customer and provide them with a correct setup if they are using it for street, autox sometimes and mostly street, or all race etc. I would suggest going with companies that you know have been around and make their suspension from Track R&D and not price controls.
Thanks all for listening, its just that this has been on my mind for so long and its time I said it. Again, I may be totally wrong and going against vendors etc so I will appalogize in advance if I offended anyone.
Eddie
Pm me if you need help with brands. I will not post this publically because I think opinion from a vendor can be biased and I wouldnt wanna look that way. PM me if your really confused.
Eddie
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Eddie
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Well I hate to say I told you so... but some of us have been blowing this horn for months. If it takes a vendor to finally just spill it out there for you guys to get the picture, so be it. Props to eddie for just blurting it out. Don't cheap your suspension.
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Rep Power: 334 I kind of figured so When The set of Coilovers i have (i will just call them *purple) were EXACTLY EXACTLY EXACTLY the same as these other coilovers that recently popped up into the scene (i will just call them *yellow).
THey have the exact same design, using the same camberplates, pillowball mounts, Ebrake Brackets, spanner wrenches, and Dampener Adjustment dials.
I probably won't ever track my car, but i Must say. IT does ride alot better than stock shocks and lowering springs for the height that i am at. And this is why i bought them.
As for tracking them, im not really sure about it. The website of my *purple Coilover's company has a pictures of a complete race team and shop etc etc. But i dunno, they are JUST pictures.
THey have the exact same design, using the same camberplates, pillowball mounts, Ebrake Brackets, spanner wrenches, and Dampener Adjustment dials.
I probably won't ever track my car, but i Must say. IT does ride alot better than stock shocks and lowering springs for the height that i am at. And this is why i bought them.
As for tracking them, im not really sure about it. The website of my *purple Coilover's company has a pictures of a complete race team and shop etc etc. But i dunno, they are JUST pictures.
Ok. Im glad no one has blurted out any names and I have responded to all PM's with questions.
Again, they probably provide a good ride for the street etc, but just put it this way.
These setups are used in pro racing as much as rotas are on real race cars.
Again, nothing against rota, good wheels, cheap affordable and light and we sell em haha--but they are just reverse engineered copies of expensive wheels with different metal compounds.
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For credibilities sake, I can say that we used to in addition to Truehonda develop OEM brake rotors for cars in a company in India. I liked the owner because he showed me this supply chain of quality. He said that his rotors would last 4x as long as his competitors in India because of metal quality, destruction testing, and chemical analysis. We compared the metal composition of an OEM Toyota Rotor and that of the Autozone brand. The difference in metal and cost was huge. OEM rotors were awsome and had expensive metal throughout while the Autozone used additives and cheaper metals to componsate. Sadly, compared visually, both were identical.
Thats why if you ever wonder why people spend so much on Brembo's and Powerslots (Brembo's remade) is because of what you get material wise - not the look.
Again, they probably provide a good ride for the street etc, but just put it this way.
These setups are used in pro racing as much as rotas are on real race cars.
Again, nothing against rota, good wheels, cheap affordable and light and we sell em haha--but they are just reverse engineered copies of expensive wheels with different metal compounds.
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For credibilities sake, I can say that we used to in addition to Truehonda develop OEM brake rotors for cars in a company in India. I liked the owner because he showed me this supply chain of quality. He said that his rotors would last 4x as long as his competitors in India because of metal quality, destruction testing, and chemical analysis. We compared the metal composition of an OEM Toyota Rotor and that of the Autozone brand. The difference in metal and cost was huge. OEM rotors were awsome and had expensive metal throughout while the Autozone used additives and cheaper metals to componsate. Sadly, compared visually, both were identical.
Thats why if you ever wonder why people spend so much on Brembo's and Powerslots (Brembo's remade) is because of what you get material wise - not the look.
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Rep Power: 812 This is another reason why I hate knockoff products. Did you know even the replica "OEM" headlights don't produce a correct beam pattern? If you want quality, buy it from the original manufacturer. None of this second hand junk. I don't care if it costs $200 more, at least you know its quality.
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This is another reason why I hate knockoff products. Did you know even the replica "OEM" headlights don't produce a correct beam pattern? If you want quality, buy it from the original manufacturer. None of this second hand junk. I don't care if it costs $200 more, at least you know its quality.
Oh yea, you ever want those Powerslots and Hawks bud?
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These setups are used in pro racing as much as rotas are on real race cars.
Props to truehonda for finally putting this up.
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Rep Power: 380 I know Boilermaker and I have been pushing that your Dampers are one of the most important parts of your suspension by far more important then what spring you have..... and I know I've posted that when a company tells me that their damper is 32 way adjustible... that doesnt tell me squat about the damper. not that any one listens.
Other then that, You'd be supprised how often "Cheaper" wheels are found on track going cars... Ushually not in Club Racing where Small custom 3 piece wheels are typically found (Keizer, Kodiac Ect ect ect), but alot with open track cars.... Simply because with driving on track, you are eventually going to go off that track and possibly damage something.... so the Idea is, would you rather have to replace $1000 In wheels, or $400?
Other then that, You'd be supprised how often "Cheaper" wheels are found on track going cars... Ushually not in Club Racing where Small custom 3 piece wheels are typically found (Keizer, Kodiac Ect ect ect), but alot with open track cars.... Simply because with driving on track, you are eventually going to go off that track and possibly damage something.... so the Idea is, would you rather have to replace $1000 In wheels, or $400?
Originally Posted by Zzyzx
I know Boilermaker and I have been pushing that your Dampers are one of the most important parts of your suspension by far more important then what spring you have..... and I know I've posted that when a company tells me that their damper is 32 way adjustible... that doesnt tell me squat about the damper. not that any one listens.
Other then that, You'd be supprised how often "Cheaper" wheels are found on track going cars... Ushually not in Club Racing where Small custom 3 piece wheels are typically found (Keizer, Kodiac Ect ect ect), but alot with open track cars.... Simply because with driving on track, you are eventually going to go off that track and possibly damage something.... so the Idea is, would you rather have to replace $1000 In wheels, or $400?
Other then that, You'd be supprised how often "Cheaper" wheels are found on track going cars... Ushually not in Club Racing where Small custom 3 piece wheels are typically found (Keizer, Kodiac Ect ect ect), but alot with open track cars.... Simply because with driving on track, you are eventually going to go off that track and possibly damage something.... so the Idea is, would you rather have to replace $1000 In wheels, or $400?
. Regardless, you know what I mean by that comment. Eddie
Originally Posted by truehonda
Remember: You get what you pay for
A few months ago, I heard the same story from a friend and personal vendor of mine. He told me the same facts that you have stated, and I think it IS these facts that customers need to know. With the influx of several new 'racing' dampers, the customer should know that these new products have not had the same amount of R&D that dampers released by say, Tein, have had. As you, Truehonda, have stated, these dampers might be safe for regular driving, but they may not be safe for those who wish to use their new 'racing' dampers for actual racing. This might sound biased, but the tried-and-true coilover setups will yield better results and longevity over the long run, rather than the new, cheaper setups. At the end of the day, it's your choice as the consumer on which setup you go with.
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Rep Power: 380 ^^ I've found, since I started to use my car for compitition, that most products listed as "racing" are rarely used for or at all suitable for actual Racing...
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Originally Posted by truehonda
Absolutley. I agree, i was just trying to make a refrence that people could relate to you know. Ive seen Rotas at many of my Auto-x's and HPDE days and some SCCA runs. But, ive never seen a Porsche on em . Regardless, you know what I mean by that comment.
Eddie
. Regardless, you know what I mean by that comment. Eddie
Originally Posted by Zzyzx
^^ I've found, since I started to use my car for compitition, that most products listed as "racing" are rarely used for or at all suitable for actual Racing...
Should this thread be stickied just for future reference? Just a suggestion.
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