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^I'm agreeing with this and probably not doing the swap. It's just not cheap enough yet. Give it 5 more years and the K20 will be selling for 2k
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I'm not expecting a fast car, I just want a car that doesn't have a broken transmission and the difference in cost between a manual swap and a k20a3 is minimal. Besides, my engine will eventually.
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1) D17
- Only things that can be done for some gains: I/E/H + stage 1 cam, or turbo/nitro.
- in no-VTEC range - lame, but good gas ileage. In VTEC range - soome peep, not much...
2) K20
- Much more potential, but +$ to mod it (i can live with that)
- Less mileage engine, almost new if rebuilt before dropping it on the bay.
- non-VTEC range - not diff than the D17, but RSX is heavier. VTEC range - comes alive if head swap for A3? More Hyde than Jekyll when you want to.
Among other stuff, so i still think it is worthwhile if you going to keep the car for long.
K24 if you want more torque in lower RPM.
- Only things that can be done for some gains: I/E/H + stage 1 cam, or turbo/nitro.
- in no-VTEC range - lame, but good gas ileage. In VTEC range - soome peep, not much...
2) K20
- Much more potential, but +$ to mod it (i can live with that)
- Less mileage engine, almost new if rebuilt before dropping it on the bay.
- non-VTEC range - not diff than the D17, but RSX is heavier. VTEC range - comes alive if head swap for A3? More Hyde than Jekyll when you want to.
Among other stuff, so i still think it is worthwhile if you going to keep the car for long.
K24 if you want more torque in lower RPM.
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I don't care much fore more torque in the lower RPM. I want more power in general, and an engine with less KMs... I just don't think the swap is viable because of price. Believe me though, you will feel a big difference between the D17 and the K20. I've done a swap before and I definitely felt a huge difference. Over time though it will just feel slow again.
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when you feel it is slow again, it's time to upgrade (again - should be done before the swap, actually) the suspension/brakes 
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That's the right way to do, BTW - start with suspension, when you can overdrive the suspension but there is not enough power and it makes you work too much on the momentun, add power. when the power and DRIVER can ovedrive the suspension, add suspension and brakes, and so on.
.That's the right way to do, BTW - start with suspension, when you can overdrive the suspension but there is not enough power and it makes you work too much on the momentun, add power. when the power and DRIVER can ovedrive the suspension, add suspension and brakes, and so on.
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Tom, would not a K24 work better for you? they cheaper to get. too many accords around
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I've done no reserach into the K24 swap... but I imagine it's pretty close. I'll have to search into it. As far as suspension goes OEM civic suspension can handle a stock K20 no problem.. I think 
Obviously RSX axles are part of the swap.
Obviously RSX axles are part of the swap.
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it was on the honda tuning last year - potentially could reduce gas mileage for your purposes, or not - less weight, less throttle required.
maybe springs require review?
2k... could be good? Not sure. you could get a n engine cheaper than that
maybe springs require review?
2k... could be good? Not sure. you could get a n engine cheaper than that
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Cheaper than 2k? Its a K24 block with a K20 head and an A2 6spd transmission... the only thing not listed is mileage that price is FANTASTIC. No ECU included but you have to buy a Kpro anyway so it would cost an additional 600 bucks to get Kpro... or 1300 on ebay . A whole Frank for 3300 Kpro included?
Probably doesnt inlcude axles n stuff tho
. A whole Frank for 3300 Kpro included?Probably doesnt inlcude axles n stuff tho
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I missed the trans... sorry
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Not to mention private sale so you pretty well save 300 bucks right there on taxes... HMMMMMMMMMM......... I'm considering it I sent him a msg.
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Here you go Austin. Couple these together.
K24block/K20A2 head with 6 spd tranny 2000$ cash:
http://ontario.kijiji.ca/c-ViewAd?Ad...yD4Np9qHbppf4*
Hondata Kpro ECU 1200 dollars delivered:
http://cgi.ebay.ca/02-04-RSX-HONDATA...item20b657bacc
A badass swap in the making
K24block/K20A2 head with 6 spd tranny 2000$ cash:
http://ontario.kijiji.ca/c-ViewAd?Ad...yD4Np9qHbppf4*
Hondata Kpro ECU 1200 dollars delivered:
http://cgi.ebay.ca/02-04-RSX-HONDATA...item20b657bacc
A badass swap in the making
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looks like you on the good way 
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Haha I told the wife we are going on a road trip to go buy an engine and she was actually all for it I'm not buying it though...
I'm not buying it though...
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Okay, just got a response from him. It doesnt include the axles or the exhaust manifold. It does however include the power steering pump and the A/C condesenor. It doesnt include many of the other things a pre bought swap does... But.. It's a frank engine + 6 spd transmission with 60k miles for 2000 dollars... What do you guys think? Should I buy it? It's a 6 hour drive from my house which is no big deal. Give me some input people in seriously considering this.
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you don't need the axles unless you already have a five lug swap.
You can use EP3 axles. A/C condenser, you don't need either. You can use your stock A/C condenser. It's the compressor that you'll need.
You can use EP3 axles. A/C condenser, you don't need either. You can use your stock A/C condenser. It's the compressor that you'll need.
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Ep3 axles aren't something many people opt for when they k-swap, but they make a lot sense when you consider how many fewer parts need to buy compared to going 5 lug. New wheels alone are at least a few hundred bucks. I did some searching today and found two K20a2 complete swaps for less than $2100 in Vancouver, I love it when people are to cheap to pay for collision lol
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I just got some info from the guy and a whole bunch of pics. K24A1 block with a K20A2 head... I'm still thinking about this but I don't think it's gonna happen just now
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?!? why?
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Hey guys its literally my first day as a member and like a virgin im a little uncomfortable and nervous about asking this but... i am about to buy a K20a3 block w/o the cylinder head and no tranny for a hundred bucks, i think its a steal, that being said i know i need a cylinder head (was wondering wats the best one for the K20a3) ECU (i have a 4 door ex 2002), tranny, A/c condenser, engine mounts, intake manifold, exhaust manifold... What else do i need and how much is this all gunna run me? 
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The best head you will be able to get affordeably is the K20A2.
The best ECU you can and should run is Hondata KPRO
The rest of the information can be found here. If you plan to build the swap with individual parts it will be VERY expensive unless you wait for deals.
http://www.xproductionz.com/k20swap/k20swap.html
The best ECU you can and should run is Hondata KPRO
The rest of the information can be found here. If you plan to build the swap with individual parts it will be VERY expensive unless you wait for deals.
http://www.xproductionz.com/k20swap/k20swap.html
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sdaidoji... what's preventing me from buying it at this point and time is the fact that it will cost me another 3000 dollars in parts just to get it in.. now I know 5k is good for a frank swap with KPRO. The other thing preventing me from buying it right now is the fact that my car is a commuter car.. It would be a shame to put 40k a year on a frankenstein swap. I don't have any other options for commuting except my ford edge and that thing is terrible on gas... I do want to buy it and I'm still thinking about it... I have the money I just don't .. know...
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Okay I'll post a picture of the swap now and you guys tell me what you think. Here it is in his car but he never actually started the engine... He did an awesome job cleaning everything up and it has a stage 1 clutch, 10lbs flywheel, ARP head studs. Mostly everything for the swap is there except computer, axles, clutch lines, subframe, and some other stuff. Let me know what you think. Is it worth 2000?
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I thought of something we've been forgetting in our budgets, the ac system draining and re-charge.
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Hey thanks man that was an awesome link, so going forward buying this block, is it worth the price? 100 for a k20a3 block? or should i just save my money and wait on a package deal?
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Hey guys just bought the k20a3 block with a clutch, intake manifold, fuel rail, timing belt cover, and the bolts to attach the the cylinder head to the block. Now do i have to make any mods to put a k24 head on the k20a3 block?
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I went to a shop today and saw a car with gold plated billet K-swap mounts and a neochrome turbo housing, so sex.
