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That's why we set mine up on open loop. No surging or bs, it only does what we tell it to. We got it working damned good with 750's, I'm sure it wouldn't be too tough with your injectors.

 
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it was going on both ways (closed and open). We have it zeroed in to a window of about 25% of the idle solenoid duty cycle, but if we go too high, it surges, too low and it wants to dip and stall. somewhere in the middle is where its at now, but it wants to surge when hot.... so it needs to go somewhere a tad lower than it is right now, or the idle RPMs need to go up a touch... right now its at 900, might need 950 or 1000.... I'm trying to get windows on my macbook so I dont need to keep borrowing laptops to touch it up. Edwin and I had to retune it a bit today since we started over with a D17 map to enable closed loop....

 
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Gayness. Well if you need to, we can play with it this weekend. I'll be there.

 
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not to be an *** but why did you take emanage out. shouldn't you have keep it in for the break in then swap before the k pro tune. i thought you had e man work wright when you last had it in.

 
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^ although you are correct about the emange working when he took it out, here are a few things to consider...
-this motor is completely different from the one the emanage was tuned for. he had the emanage tuned on the motor when all it had were some bigger injectors and a turbo. this motor is completly built inside and out. the head, the block, the fuel system, it's all different. the emanage probably wouldnt even start the car, let alone run it.
-installing the kpro means taking off the timing belt. so it isnt as simple as 'plugging it in'
-the emangle would be pretty much worthless with this setup.

 
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unless hes running much larger injectors i dont see wy the e-manage wouldnt be capable of running it.

 
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Different compression
Different cam
Different Intake manifold
Bigger injectors
.... among other things
The Kpro only works with the AEM/Hondata cam gear. That cam gear WILL NOT work with the stock ECU since the timing marks are backwards (so Kpro reads it right). Therefore, emanage and a stock ECU cannot run the motor since I have the hondata gear on it. Additionally, Emanage "working" is an oxy moron. It fights the ECU until open loop and then it does at best, a medocre job running the motor. On a street tuned basemap, the car is running smoother and more consistently (minus the ongoing idle tweaking) than it ever did on a tuned emangle (which never idled right on 310s, nevermind 440s). That blue box cant hold a stick to a standalone, and IMO, it has no place being wired up to a completely built motor. It just doesnt have the ability to control it well enough.
Edwin can attest to the power of this thing.... he was in the car while we were toodling around in it with the laptop this afternoon..... it feels stronger on 7psi and 1/2 throttle than his car does full tilt (at 6.5psi).

 
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yea, it's unreal. it almost doesnt make sense how a 1.7 SOHC can get up and move that quick without making any noise all while still at partial throttle. once it gets tuned and is fully broken in..it's going to be sick. I can honestly say that id have to flog my car (180hp @ 6.5psi) to keep up with boiler at 1/2 throttle. i think the vtec cam and kpro are KEY to the whole setup.

 
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funny how some have had problems with e-manage. I guess im the exception to the rule and got lucky. Mine idle perfect, starts every time, hasnt had but a hadful of CEL's over the couple years of boost. And i agree with a heavily modded engine stand alone is a much better idea but its not the only system available to do the job. Is it possible to get more hp/torque/driveability with stand alone? Sure but it may not be an afordable solution for the majority. I just hope that you guys dont become those same guys on HT that sware that EVERYTHING that is piggyback is crap not worth using. I view it as a tool and in the proper hands its capable of doing its job. Maybe not as well as stand alone but for most piggyback will Get-r-DoNe!

 
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Emangle has its place..... but it is poor under partial throttle boost. That alone makes a stand alone worlds better, since the car continues to run smoothly (and not at 14.7:1) in the overwhelming majority of real world driving, especially with a smallish turbo. The emanage load cells are also huge, that was my other big beef. There were spots where the map had to be richer to keep another spot within the same load cell from getting lean. The Kpro cells are much smaller and there's more of them.
Again, its my opinion, but I think a lot of people share it..... if you're gonna go for the gusto, then you gotta go all out on the computer too. Emanage is worlds beyond an FMU, but its not the greatest tool for running an OBDII car because the car is so good at fighting back. When the EMS came out and people started switching.... gains from more precise tuning were noticed as well. The fact that it has so much more control adds a safety net to the tuning and lets you pull more power out without worrying.

 
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^^ so basicaly the emanage was a steping stone for you. i was not saying anything bad about your setup just asking question b/c i am starting to get my kit together soon. also i was just wondering way you didn't just keep it in for the break in ....but now i found out.

 
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Nice. now build me one.

 
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So Ive been following this thread since day 1. Congrats on finishing the project. Looking forward to see what kinda numbers youll be putting down. Ive got a spare D17 sitting in my garage that is soon going to be getting the same treatment....so Im curious to see what youll be making. Just not looking forward to all the tuning/ecu/fuel upgrades. hahaha

 
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I think it should put down 275-300 realistically. The only limiting factor I could see would be MAYBE the exhaust. Other than that it should come out nicely after tuning.

 
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jesus i got alot of work to do....and on jack stands not only do i have a small backyard and driveway i dont have smart enough friends to help

 
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well.... this is gonna be fun. I got wireless in the parking lot at the shop. Mayhem starts at 10. Stand by for play by play....

 
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Hope all goes well Justin I'm sure we all won't be disappointed granted everything is working and functioning properly. Pleasure to meet you, Andy, and Robb over the weekend.

 
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nice, goodluck, goodjob

 
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Good luck Boil.

 
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yeah i saw the exhaust also it might not be a problem. boil why don't you chaange you exhaust.

 
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Sometimes comfort is more important than peak numbers.

 
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Wireless FTMW!! Can't wait to see the results man.

 
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Well... no go. The STUPIDEST problem I can think of. The f'ing BOV is leaking pressure. The leak gets worse the higher the RPMs go.... but in good news, at 5.5 PSI the car is making 161 HP/145 TQ. Must have torn the diaphragm. Got a new one on the way.
As far as the exhaust..... well the Baltimore Washington Parkway just took care of that for me. I hit a piece of road **** and crushed the pipe on the way home.

 
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that sucks, better luck next time, all good things take some time and it always seems on the dyno day something gay like that happens.

 
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Shitty. I hate the BW Pkwy. Last time I was in town, I about flipped that POS rental (Cavalier) on an on-ramp going onto it - doesn't ride like my Tein'd 'vic. Got to the bottom the ramp, and sat there. For two hours. Big finger to the BW Pkway. Hope you get her up and tuned soon!

 
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I'm going to Ptuning in manassas tomorrow to buy an exhaust. I just dont have the time to frig around with it. They said they have the Greddy, DC, Magnaflow and Skunk2 in stock, I'll sort it all out tonight.
BOV on thursday. Boost solenoid is set for 10 PSI, once the leak is shut off, this sucker should skoot.
Retune/finish tuning on June 13, 12-14 psi up to 7800 RPMs.

 
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When it rains, it poors.............large rocks from the sky. Nothing ever goes right dude, dont worry its not just you. I've seen some of the best mechanics get royaly screwed by the stupidest circumstances.

 
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man that sucks.. but remember "Caution: Contents under extreme pressure and may explode at any time."

 
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I take it you didnt swap the internals in to your D-series case... Makes it easy to put it back in the stock location.

 
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First make it work... then make it perfect. I needed a running motor, I got it.... eventually, when I feel like it, I'll deal with that.