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Old Apr 5, 2007
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One of my all time favorite 7th gens...thanks for pushing the limits!
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that is truely one of the 7 wonders of the world
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Great work, man. Congratulations.
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Re: New dyno inside

nice work andy, i'm glad it's worked out for ya.

hey Josh, what happened to the ride man? and how's it running now?
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Re: New dyno inside

Do to the law of physics I feel that the dyno has been altered. Every car dyno from a neon to a top fuel dragster will cross at 5252 it is one of WATTS LAWS.
Horsepower = torque x rpm / 5252
Here's an interesting bit of trivia; below 5252 rpm any engine's torque number will always be higher than its horsepower number, and above 5252 rpm any engine's horsepower number will always be higher than its torque number. At 5252 rpm the horsepower and torque numbers will be exactly the same
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Re: New dyno inside

Originally Posted by Alpha 5
Do to the law of physics I feel that the dyno has been altered. Every car dyno from a neon to a top fuel dragster will cross at 5252 it is one of WATTS LAWS.
Horsepower = torque x rpm / 5252
Here's an interesting bit of trivia; below 5252 rpm any engine's torque number will always be higher than its horsepower number, and above 5252 rpm any engine's horsepower number will always be higher than its torque number. At 5252 rpm the horsepower and torque numbers will be exactly the same
Its not modified lol. Take a closer look.... look at the different values on the left axis versus the right axis
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Re: New dyno inside

^^^^look At The Rpm That They Cross. It Must Be 5252, It Will Always Be 5252.
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Re: New dyno inside

I know I am supposed to be nice and everything, but pay closer attention to what you're looking at! They "appear" to be crossing at a different point because the horsepower and torque values aren't equal on the same axis. Seriously, quit while you're behind. You need to be more careful of who you're accusing of 'altering' things, there, pal.

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They are diff, I agree. They are not diff enough to move the cross point 1748 RPM.

I stand by my previous statement.
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Re: New dyno inside

There's a 100 value difference between the torque and horsepower, what are you talking about? The torque line has been skewed and stretched to match up where the horsepower line is. If you can't understand this, I'm wasting my breath trying to explain it. You stand by whatever statement you want to, but you clearly don't know what you're talking about and you're looking for trouble.

Tell you what, genius. Get a ruler and check the torque and horsepower values at 5200 rpm, omg, they miraculously are both right at around 230! How can that be? It's been altered!

Like I told you, you need to be very careful when you're accusing someone of something.
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Re: New dyno inside

I am not calling you a liar. Nor am I trying to say that you car did not produce 373.8 HP and 280.2 TQ.
What I am saying is the RPM's across the botom do not jive with the graph or the cross point of the HP and TQ that is all.
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Re: New dyno inside

Like I said, take a ruler out and measure it yourself.
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Re: New dyno inside

Originally Posted by andyman97
The torque line has been skewed and stretched to match up where the horsepower line is.
That is exactly what I am talking about. The graph its self has been manipulated, not the data.

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Re: New dyno inside

Lol, a feature of the newer dynojet software is to scale the graphs so they fit better on the screen.... you see a more detailed curve that way. The torque is zoomed in more than the horsepower.

Look at the torque number (dark blue curve) at 5252: 240/lb
Look at the hp number (light blue curve) at 5252: 240whp

240 = (240 * 5252) / 5252
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Re: New dyno inside

Originally Posted by Alpha 5
That is exactly what I am talking about. The graph its self has been manipulated, not the data.
IM just going to go out on a limb and call you a retard. lol. Seriously, he dynoed it, and if you choose not to believe it so be it then dont bother posting your theories unless you have some evidence to back it up. All dynos have to have a correction table, its a fact. But the fact is he made 372 hp.
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Re: New dyno inside

Lol, whatever. Sup Jer, just got off the phone with Doug at Hondata. We're both impressed all the way around. I love the low cam/high cam feature on the k pro, its really nice. Have you tuned one yet? What'd you think?
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Re: New dyno inside

Right on, I bet they'll put your car on their website I haven't tuned a d17 kpro but I have done a number of k-series kpro tunes, and I like the system a lot. the only complaint I have is that you can't tune it in real time (which is extremely useful for steady-state tuning on a load bearing dyno like the one I use everyday). Other than that, its excellent.
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Re: New dyno inside

Yeah, that is the only real thing I think that needs improvement. Its a pita pressing ctrl+u every time you make a change, lol. But yeah, other than that, its great.
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Re: New dyno inside

I think its a limitation of how the OEM ecu works somehow. Not sure on that though. For dynojet tuning you'd probably never notice, its really only super-helpful for steady-state stuff. Congrats on the good tune, BTW. Tony is very good.
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Re: New dyno inside

how much $$ excluding the actual turbo kit, to get it this high?
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Re: New dyno inside

Wait, I just noticed the area code on the dyno sheet. Where was this tuned?
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Re: New dyno inside

Originally Posted by servion
Lol, a feature of the newer dynojet software is to scale the graphs so they fit better on the screen.... you see a more detailed curve that way. The torque is zoomed in more than the horsepower.

Look at the torque number (dark blue curve) at 5252: 240/lb
Look at the hp number (light blue curve) at 5252: 240whp

240 = (240 * 5252) / 5252
Look at the torque number (dark blue curve) at 5252: 240/lb
Look at the hp number (light blue curve) at 5252: 240whp
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Re: New dyno inside

Originally Posted by Unevolved
Wait, I just noticed the area code on the dyno sheet. Where was this tuned?
[sarcasm]I'm gonna go out on a limb,[/sarcasm] but after seeing t1racedevelopment.com (you could've went to the website) on the sheet and reading that Tony tuned it I'd guess T1 Race Development in TX.
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Re: New dyno inside

Alpha 5, you've been warned. Quit posting about where horsepower and torque curves meet. Everyone is being patient with you and there's obviously something you're missing here. We've tried explaining it to you a number of ways but you aren't getting it. I don't need a lesson in power and torque, neither do those that are trying to explain it to you but you obviously do. Anymore posts by you on this subject will be deleted. Watch your step.
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Re: New dyno inside

Originally Posted by tuningmycivic
nice work andy, i'm glad it's worked out for ya.

hey Josh, what happened to the ride man? and how's it running now?
well its running. it did make some more power and has a smoother curve but now the stupid BOV keeps sticking. it wont open up half the time and doesnt close all the way. not a big deal really, more of a pain in the ***.
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Re: New dyno inside

Originally Posted by karizzle
how much $$ excluding the actual turbo kit, to get it this high?
Well I didn't buy a turbo kit. I pieced everything together. I got a few parts used, mostly new though. I guess it depends on what you consider part of the "turbo kit".

If you just mean what's in the motor, there are pistons, rods, bearings, valvesprings, retainers, stage III cam and cam gear. So about 2000-2500 maybe and that's if you don't include any labor costs and do the work yourself like I did.
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Re: New dyno inside

I dont know andy

a D > B but i think a K > D LOL

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Re: New dyno inside

There is no K cup size tho, so whatchu gon' do?
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Re: New dyno inside

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There is no K cup size tho, so whatchu gon' do?
lol apparently there is:
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Re: New dyno inside

I don't know if anyone asked this but how is the driveability. I'm assuming it drives like a stock car but tons of power? You mentioned your drive home was fun but any issues such as hesitation and such. What are your afr's at cruise just curious.
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