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im turboing my car with tsi kit around 10psi with PnP ex head with stg 2 turbo cam. im using the emanage and i wanna get the best possible tune...... i was told that a cam gear would be a waste of money and its not needed to tune on a turbo car.............are these people retarded or correct?

 
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well you have an aftermarket cam, and guess what you need to tune it? yes a cam gear

 
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wasnt the question.
let me put it this way, people were saying that adjusting valvetrain timing wouldnt make much of a difference worth bothering with the money on a turbo car. so im here asking the guys who tune turbo cars all the time or who know craploads about them if thats true or if i should get the cam gear cus it could help alot.

 
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best spot for these cars seems to be at 0 degrees. spend the money elsewhere IMO. All you wind up doing is shifting the power up or down, it honestly seems to be a complete waist of time with a sohc turbo honda. Unless you are in full blown race only mode where money and dyno time is no option, spend the money on something else. my cam gear is set a 0 and next time around Ill probably put the stock one back on.

 
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I just wanna add that if you deck the crap out of the head and/or the block its not a bad idea to degree the cam in somehow or another, and then set it to compensate for the change in deck height. You may get more HP from playing with cam timing but I think you will find that its not worth it.

 
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thanks, see thats what i was hearing is that since its sohc not to bother, but i figured they were just maybe being ignorant, guess not.

anyone else have opinions?

 
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when i had the cam gear tuned with pnp head, a gained 5whp on my auto without any low end loss when retarding 1.5 degrees. i'm sure its different with turbo. I always heard you're supposed to retard timing to compensate for higher compression of the turbo. isn't that what tsi recommends?

 
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people spend $1000+ on mods for an NA car that yield a total gain of about 10 whp.

You can gain more than that by tuning the car with a cam gear. And the cam gear costs what, $250? And it is easy as hell to install.

As long as you tune every aspect (cam timing, ignition timing, fuel) you will most likely see a good gain from it.

I know this is different, but we installed cam gears on my friends turbochaged B18B, and gained 40 whp on 8 psi. I dont think you will have gains that are that large, but you will see some gains if its done right.

 
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^^^^^ would be the most correct statement. If we had dual OHC's then yes i could see some possible gains but we dont!

 
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they mean ignition timing.

 
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This is the biggest use for the cam gear.

 
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im talking about FI not NA, and trust me i know and believe in the thought that any mod is a waste unless you get the car well tuned, so id get it fully tuned right away. as for your friend did he gain that from a tune or from just cam timing? either way that info doesnt help, i mean was he making 200 b4 or 900........see what im gettin at?

 
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Im not gunna completely say its not gunna help. Im just saying I didnt see any gains either way, maybe you will have better results. I have a custom ground cam and it works out about the same as the stock one did on the dyno. If I advance it a degree or two, it shifts the power more toward mid range (lowers power curve), if I retarded it the results were inversly similar. On a DOHC motor you can tune a bunch out of the motor, I have heard of gains of up to 15-20 whp on a fully built setup.

 
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i was only using the NA thing as a reference to the amount of money most people spend to make an additional 10 hp.

I know your FI, and the rest of the post was geared towards you.

I am going to run an adjustable cam gear later on with my setup. So i guess if you dont test it out, i will.

 
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Dude wth? I thought YOU were Turboengnr? highly confused..

 
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hmmm well i think i may just get it anyways, but continue to discuss this because id be very interested in any info people can come up with.

 
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Make sure to buy a 5 bolt gear if you can. I have heard of the 3 bolt style slipping. Mine hasnt slipped but for the same money I'd just get the 5 bolt to be sure.

 
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yea getting 5 bolt

 
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im getting one.
if nothing elese at least it will look cool.<<<< ( flame me if you must!)

you did say you could move the power band right? i wouldnt mind lowering mine a bit to make it a little more usefull.

 
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well IDK how helpfull that will be, you will more than likely be climbing out of your peak power sooner. That may actually slow you down. You really hafta know just what you need if you are gunna start playing with cam timing.

 
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What? I am turboengnr.

 
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^^^ "Catalyst"

I thought you (turboengnr) were him?

 
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posting under two identities to sway an opinion? sneaky lol
anyways BACK ON TOPIC FELLAS!!

 
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just thought i would confuse some people. I was just on there to get some pictures, so i said "what the hell"

 
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I'm with him. I think it will be a waste, spend the money elsewhere...

 
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any ideas on what i should get instead of that for the money? i budgeted for it so might as well spend the money lol.

 
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spinner hubcaps???? haha.

 
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how about some tuning time?

 
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yea got that money in the budget too, maybe ill save a lil more towards dezods IM if its top mount TB but id like to find something else to throw on there now cus i might not have the money whenever the IM comes out.....(going to norway,sweden,denmark for vacation near summer)