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01-28-2006
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Originally Posted by dezod
The IM will be geared toward forced induction. It will be developed under characterisitics of a turbo D17 in mind with minimal regard to previous D17 IMs.
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okay, wait, i dont know about about forced induction, but just so i get this straight.. will the manifold be similar to the skunk2 d16 manifold for N/A engines? or will it be bad for the n/a engines since its focus is on FI.. wait i reread the original post.. so there is going to be TWO different manifolds, one for n/a, one for turbo? GOD IM SO PUMPED,haha
01-28-2006
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Originally Posted by dezod
We have an automatic transmission controller, that could turn your auto into a paddle shift or push button shifter. As far as building it up, no help there.
btw, keep up the good work dezod, i feel prouder of my d17 each day now
01-28-2006
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Originally Posted by claudeboi
...how does this work? can you give me a link thanks man...
btw, keep up the good work dezod, i feel prouder of my d17 each day now
btw, keep up the good work dezod, i feel prouder of my d17 each day now
We build you a harness for it.
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Originally Posted by dezod
The IM will be geared toward for FI only.
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Originally Posted by Ashhole
Well that really sucks for the 75% of us who cant drop $3k for a turbo kit. There has to be some way to develop a N/A version of the IM as well.
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Originally Posted by Ashhole
Well that really sucks for the 75% of us who cant drop $3k for a turbo kit. There has to be some way to develop a N/A version of the IM as well.
And if you're in the 75% who don't have 3K for the turbo kit, a crower cam and valvetrain, port and polish job and a compression bump isn't gonna run you much less. So I don't see your point.
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Rep Power: 281 ^^ yeah. you're not gonna bolt on an intake manifold and expect it to make 30+ hp on an n/a setup with bolt ons.
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Rep Power: 0 uihhhh who gives a **** about power mr. part of the MAYBE 25% of TURBO ppl out there.. IM's give SWEET *** sound too, if ya didnt know. so maybe we want the sound too. thanks for letting the n/a guys down on this one.
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Rep Power: 400 You're gonna waste $500 to make some ****in noise? Oh Give me a break. You want to make noise, go spend 35 bucks on ebay.
Whats the sense in buying expensive R&Ded parts just to make some noise?
Clearly, you're not the guy Dezod has in mind here if all you want to do is make noise.
Anyways, I think you're thinking of ITBs, not an intake manifold.
Whats the sense in buying expensive R&Ded parts just to make some noise?
Clearly, you're not the guy Dezod has in mind here if all you want to do is make noise.
Anyways, I think you're thinking of ITBs, not an intake manifold.
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Rep Power: 273 guys, honda is the n/a specialist. Do you have any idea how much time it would take to design an N/A manifold that works as well as theirs in all aspects of daily driving. Sure its plastic, but that also means less heat soak. Im sure there are improvements to be made but geeze for the minimal amount of sales they would generate, I cant see it being worthwile at all. There are lots of things to consider. If you want intake sound get a short ram intake. People that spend money on these parts are WAY past CAI and induction noise. hehe. Anything that anyone can offer as an aftermarket upgrade should be considered a bonus especially from someone who doesnt come from big corporate funding. Just my .02 thumbs up Dezod.
01-29-2006
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Originally Posted by Boilermaker1
You're gonna waste $500 to make some ****in noise? Oh Give me a break. You want to make noise, go spend 35 bucks on ebay.
Whats the sense in buying expensive R&Ded parts just to make some noise?
Clearly, you're not the guy Dezod has in mind here if all you want to do is make noise.
Anyways, I think you're thinking of ITBs, not an intake manifold.
Whats the sense in buying expensive R&Ded parts just to make some noise?
Clearly, you're not the guy Dezod has in mind here if all you want to do is make noise.
Anyways, I think you're thinking of ITBs, not an intake manifold.
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Rep Power: 0 Although I would like to see a N/A manifold that would produce decent gains, I can kinda see why Dezod would just develop a FI only...I was one of the unlucky people that bought the KMS manifold for N/A and it didn't produce anything but an headache...Though the KMS has shown to give gains with the FI guys and not saying that Dezod and other developers couldn't make the N/A version with gains, but it just seems unlikely to me...Who knows, maybe there will be overwhelming demand for the N/A manifold and Dezod will develop it!!???!!
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Rep Power: 286 for those who doubt dezod, he is working with people from EDELBROCK! theyve been making leadsleds and boats on wheels faster than you or i could imagine to be for decades and decades.
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Rep Power: 0 I don't think anyone is doubting dezod at all....They have proven to everyone how great a company can be with feedback from these types of forums and showing us that anything is possable with these engines in time and proper R&D....
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Originally Posted by dezod
The IM will be FI only. There are few to none all motor D17's running around for us to justify R&D
01-30-2006
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Rep Power: 262 NA motors make power through velocity (longer, smaller diameter runner)
Tubo motors make power more through quantities of air (shorter runner, larger diameter runner)
The NA car has to suck the air in. And if you balance the runner to achieve optimal velocity, then even though your runner is smaller, you will suck in more air due to the speed at which the air is traveling.
The turbo car crams as much air in a given space as possible. So if your runner is larger, its going to fill it with that same pressure, giving you a larger quantity of air for the same pressure.
Thats the jist of it. There is a lot more technical knowledge that has to be applied and some physics to think of, but that is a "generally accepted assumption" that is kept in mind while making different manifolds for different applications
Tubo motors make power more through quantities of air (shorter runner, larger diameter runner)
The NA car has to suck the air in. And if you balance the runner to achieve optimal velocity, then even though your runner is smaller, you will suck in more air due to the speed at which the air is traveling.
The turbo car crams as much air in a given space as possible. So if your runner is larger, its going to fill it with that same pressure, giving you a larger quantity of air for the same pressure.
Thats the jist of it. There is a lot more technical knowledge that has to be applied and some physics to think of, but that is a "generally accepted assumption" that is kept in mind while making different manifolds for different applications
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Rep Power: 279 good explination turbo! i for one think that the IM design of our stock mani isnt very good. i am going the GSR IM route as did turboengnr. i think there can be good gains to be had out of a new design. but i for one completely understand why dezod is only doing the FI one now. unless a bunch more people jump of the N?A wagon there just isnt goign to be much available in that department unless its custom. as stated before there arent but maybe a handful of n/a guiys out there that will actually benefit from a IM
