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as long you got the engine built RIGHT with the enough amount of fuel and the aem ems i wouldnt see a problem with high psi numbers on the d17. you just need to BUILD THE ENGINE THE RIGHT WAY.

 
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finally someone is making sense

 
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Yeah, don't take it from people who know firsthand from experience, like myself, jwcardy, turboengnr, dezod and eyeseeyou. You're absolutely right, think whatever you want, because you obviously have a high horsepower d17 and have blown at least one from too much power, right?

Oh, and something on a sidenote, just because you have too much time on your hands that you can post 20,000 posts, doesn't mean you know anything about performance, in fact, it's obvious that you don't really know what you're talking about.

 
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I've been on this site almost since it began and the turbo members just come and go. You make it seem like if you slap a turbo on a stock motor with a perfect tune job, it will run forever. The noobs see this and get excited where the reality is stuff breaks all the time, the car never runs as good as it used to, and money is constantly being spent to fix everything. Are you proud of yourself for blowing up motors? I sure wouldn't be.

 
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Ok, now you're not even making an argument. Do you have anything at all backing up anything you're saying? Personal experience, perhaps?
No, I'm not proud that I've blown up motors, but I'm not ashamed either. Everyone has to start learning somewhere and turbocharging is a very steep learning curve. At least my mechanic skills have evolved to the point that they have where I now have a fast car that runs reliably and is daily driven. As far as how well my car runs, it runs better than stock. In fact, with driveability, you can't even tell it's boosted till I get on it. I haven't had to fix anything since I installed the AEM, either.

Anyways, show me another d17 dyno that is putting down more power at the wheels than I am.......I'll be waiting.

 
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Well it looks like you know your stuff and its nice to see such big numbers. And knowing how to work on the car is a big plus. I remember a few old members running mid 200 range but I don't have the dynos. Wasn't sf power up to 300 with a slipping clutch? I can't remember tho.

 
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C2i0v0i1C is the highest next to andy's that i can recall actually posting, but i too recall SF posting he had hit 300 or just over 300 but never saw a print out

 
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give gearbox a break...he's helped so many members on this site, including myself, he's a stand up guy. No everyone can be right all the time, there has even been a few times when s2000man has be wrong. What gearbox was saying was probably true during the earlier days of the site before the AEM EMS came out.

Anyways i hope to see some good numbers from you guys. I'm to scared to add anything crazy like turbo.

 
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All of you stop fighting! Its a shame!
I also have a turbo'd d17, so you know.

 
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you both have good points, lets leave it at that and respect each others opinions...

Don't forget, the car that has the most power doesn't always win the race, it's about what you can put to the ground in the form of traction....

EDIT: Actually, I'm checking what a certain former Stafford employee said he put down for numbers...

 
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Dynos that i found...

Guns = 250.9whp / 218 tq http://www.7thgencivic.com/forums/sh...1&postcount=20



Barney = 305.6whp / ?tq http://www.7thgencivic.com/forums/sh...8&postcount=23

 
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ya barney had alot of custom crap like venom im and some other goodies. too bad he was a jerk and screwed members out of money. anyway ya guns was cool he sold the car already but that thing was crazy. I think he had the sf kit with methanol?

 
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well I think we have come to a conclusion on this topic:

Power is in the eyes of the tuner.

Boost pressure has nothing to do with how much power you make.

With experience comes knowledge.

AND, that everyone has a different opinion.


So people have made very, very respectable power with a d17 both modded and in stock form with turbo's, but it does come with a price. Our motors are a bit expensive to build up some real power unlike older motors. The weak transmission doesn't help the situation at all. congrats to those who are boosted and hopefully I will be boosting sometime soon.

 
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I heard about Barney but I've never seen the graph. I could say I made 320 whp but without something to back it up, it's on my word. As far as Guns', I hadn't seen that one. Those air fuels are ridiculously lean though.

 
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there is a few people that are making over 400 hp on stock internal B16's its all about the tune. and i have herd about a guy that made 600 something on a stock block B16B in austin. i think he is running the AME EMS. i just cant see spend the mony for the EMS. correct me if im wrong ist like 1500 dollers right?

 
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I'm gonna jump in and get flamed, but my vote is that the transmission is holding back the big numbers... *dons flame suit*

 
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My tranny is holding up fine. I've had two different turbo systems on it and no tranny issues at all. Of course, to get it all to the ground, an lsd would be a huge help and I'm lining something up soon for that problem.

 
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Yeah true. I heard that the breaking point is right around 300 whp for em... But meh who knows. Opto said that a Quaife should fit our trannys lol

 
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i was told by a honda engineer that the d17 was designed from honda to hold 8psi

 
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but yet u blew ur engine from 4.5 PSI..

A stock engine can take the beating, but building it up will give u extra insurance that things wont go wrong. Like everyone says, a proper tune is also required. Take supermex for example, he is thinking in terms of reliability, he even has a 1L gas res incase of a boost spike, its stuff like that, sleeving, pistons, that give u the extra assurance that **** wont go wrong.

I agree with everyone, you need both, internals and tuning beause they work together to get to realistic goals like 300whp.

 
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yet you have no clue as to why my motor blew. i could have been running 0psi that day and it still would have blown. the car was severely overheated in my situation. even if my cooling system would have been working properly i probably would have blown my motor due the shity sf fuel system. that is why i am converting to a return fuel system with a larger fuel pump,ect

i due agree with you that tuning is key. i never had a chance to tune my car before my grandmother died and i had to drive 450 miles to her funeral that is when my car blew.

 
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I kinda find that hard to believe. Any D series motor isn't designed around F/I. Honda makes and will continue to make economy cars. Eight psi is basically meaningless because someone could be making 150whp at 8psi and another could be making over 200 at the same pressure.

I do agree that that Honda motors are built very well and are often underated. Honda uses cast aluminum blocks and ductile iron linings which are great at dissipating heat, which we all know is the #1 reason for engine failure.

 
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