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not sure if this was asked before, but is there a DIY for that IM conversion??

that thing looks like it was made to fit in there and looks so much better than the hard right angle down into the mani that the stock IM makes the airflow take....looks like it would flow a hell of a lot better due to not having such a sharp bend right before the TB

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Originally Posted by dezod
I doubt PCV to the atmosphere with a mere breather filter gains 15whp. It is more like 1-2whp.
You could doubt but you'd be wrong and not the first time, I remember before the 1030 came out and I wanted to pick it up and one of the perks I was looking at was that I'd have no more CEL's and guess what, no more obd system so no more CEL's, I'm just giving you a hard time, Paul, I like to be right, too, lol. But seriously, you probably don't realize how much pressure build up there is underneath the pistons. One of my close friends did this mod on his d16 turbo hatch and gained about 18 at the wheels.

As far as members boosted before I was, there were some but I don't think it was that many, anyhow, I don't really care about that, I want to break the 250 whp mark, that's my goal for the stock block.

And yes, this is the vtec ex motor. It pulls decent for the power, I want more though.

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Originally Posted by andyman97

And yes, this is the vtec ex motor. It pulls decent for the power, I want more though.
I gotta agree there my EX boosted did rather well and its been real and fun but i'm moving on to my k20a2 so let the new modding begin
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Originally Posted by andyman97
You could doubt but you'd be wrong and not the first time, I remember before the 1030 came out and I wanted to pick it up and one of the perks I was looking at was that I'd have no more CEL's and guess what, no more obd system so no more CEL's, I'm just giving you a hard time, Paul, I like to be right, too, lol. But seriously, you probably don't realize how much pressure build up there is underneath the pistons. One of my close friends did this mod on his d16 turbo hatch and gained about 18 at the wheels.

As far as members boosted before I was, there were some but I don't think it was that many, anyhow, I don't really care about that, I want to break the 250 whp mark, that's my goal for the stock block.

And yes, this is the vtec ex motor. It pulls decent for the power, I want more though.
I have been wrong in the past, I am human. We all are wrong from time to time. I know you are Andy....I am just tryin to keep everything factual or as close as it can be.

Trust me I know how much pressure is built up in there, hence why we do not tell people to recirculate it into our charge pipes and make a tube on our charge piping for it either.

Good luck on that goal for the stock block, and let me know if I can be of any more assistance. I would be more worried about the 250wtq mark than hp. That TQ is what starts to 'snap' stuff.
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soooooooo, what and how did you evac the crankcase? exhaust pulse? or did you path it thru a catch can to intake or????????
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soooooooo, what and how did you evac the crankcase? exhaust pulse? or did you path it thru a catch can to intake or????????
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you should make a diy for the pcv and then also get it dynoed to see if it helps a lot or just a little. Cause for 15 whp i am down. for 1 or 2 whp i rather not spend the 100 for that breather
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Yeah I would love to put a catch can in my setup. A DIY would be great.
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so the e-manage was a issue with that intake?
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Originally Posted by dezod
Installing a catch can wont gain you any HP unless you have some sort of system to evacuate it like they do on drag cars where they run from valve cover to a check valve then in to the exhaust after the colector using one of these...
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Originally Posted by tfnaaf
Installing a catch can wont gain you any HP unless you have some sort of system to evacuate it like they do on drag cars where they run from valve cover to a check valve then in to the exhaust after the colector using one of these...
That's what I said!
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I am not looking to run a catch can. I am going to get rid of the PCV system altogether. No more blowby. There will no longer be a PCV on my car at all.
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Originally Posted by vicride345
I know the IM conversion I've heard give 10 hp w/o turbo and around 18hp w/ turbo.
can anyone verify this info? it its true im running out and buying one right the **** now lol.
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http://www.theoldone.com/components/breather/
This isn't just a "catch can".
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just read all this stuff about the pcv removal gains, now ive never seen anyone try this with before and after results as andy has, but i really dont see 15whp gains coming from this. definately not from stock motor anyways(just for you guys who were thinking andy meant on a stock motor).

i know very well how it all works and what can cause extra pressure in there, especially with alot of power forcing blowby into the crankcase. but im hoping one of you will be able to break it down with detail because as i know all the details i cant see how this will bring the hp.
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lol yeah way to represent shut the hundreds of haters on this website up.
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really dumb question....

d17 right?

just wanting to make sure, to get an idea of what my car will have in about 4 months from now
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Originally Posted by andyman97
You could doubt but you'd be wrong and not the first time, I remember before the 1030 came out and I wanted to pick it up and one of the perks I was looking at was that I'd have no more CEL's and guess what, no more obd system so no more CEL's, I'm just giving you a hard time, Paul, I like to be right, too, lol. But seriously, you probably don't realize how much pressure build up there is underneath the pistons. One of my close friends did this mod on his d16 turbo hatch and gained about 18 at the wheels.

As far as members boosted before I was, there were some but I don't think it was that many, anyhow, I don't really care about that, I want to break the 250 whp mark, that's my goal for the stock block.

And yes, this is the vtec ex motor. It pulls decent for the power, I want more though.
so you going all out and don't mind blowing up the motor can't wait to see what you get
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Originally Posted by DIZZLE
Do you have pics of your setup? Im having a hard time beleiving that much power with such little boost. What kind of turbo, intercooler, intercooler pipe size, downpipe size, post it up id love to see it.
Ok, hehe, so I guess you'd be even more reluctant to believe that I dynoed 212whp and 181 ft/lbs at 5.5psi with a crower cam and AEM ems with a very conservative winter tune. I have talked to Andy enough to be able to say, his numbers are definetly for real. His car is a prime example of how to properly boost an n/a car. Alot of new members would do alright following in his footsteps.
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oh yeah, what are you going to do about your tranny after the infamous "our trannies can only support 300 hp at the crank"???
and what clutch are you using.
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Im doing the lower end soon hopefully, the CM stage one clutch will come out and a spec custom stage 5 will go in. driveshaft shop axles and more boost. How does anyone actually know 300 is the magic number for the tranny??? I havent heard any valid claims. I dont know of enough 300hp d17s to prove that for a fact. Im not saying it will hold together, but Im gunna try it because theres not much choice. 300 whp would be plenty enough if you can get it. I know of d16 turbos running well over 300. Our trans seem crappier though, to be honest. When It breaks Ill find out what broke and make something stronger, just like any other part of the car. If I have to have everything cryotreated then I will. My first bet is on the ring gear or diff, then who knows after that. We were told that a stock accord tranny wouldnt take more than 400. Its been hammered on every day for the last six months with about 500hp 430ftlb going into it and its still together.
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well i know one guy, i think turboengnr (sp?) said he had problems where he had to continuously replace the input shaft bearing because the cage is plastic.
as for the 300 hp limit, thats just something ive read over the time ive been on here. ive also read older d-series trannys can supposedly line up, so maybe get the model tranny ur friend is running with and use that but i dont know about that fitment issue being true or not.
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300 at the crank is like about 240 whp. I honestly believe it can handle way more. I think there is only one way to find out. I honestly hope i am not the one to find out though. The d17s are starting to produce way better numbers nowadays this is only the beginning of what is to come.
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Originally Posted by 02fpcivic
His car is a prime example of how to properly boost an n/a car.

Sure man, anyone can slap on a turbo kit and boost 300 hp on a stock block. If thats your idea of "how to properly boost an NA car" more power to you.
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Originally Posted by andyman97
Not really. I had to wire it up backwards to eliminate the CEL on the emanage. It read backwards so when I got the ultimate, I set it to read backwards but I never got the ultimate to work right anyways so when I went with the AEM I didn't have to worry about the CEL's at all anymore or the ECU trying to correct. Ah, standalone is so much nicer

And thanks for all the kind words guys, just wait until I turn up the boost and post over 250whp (hopefully close to 300.)
Sorry I kind of lost touch with my d17 knowledge when I went to k20
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Sure man, anyone can slap on a turbo kit and boost 300 hp on a stock block. If thats your idea of "how to properly boost an NA car" more power to you.
Really? If that's the case, where are these people at? How come nobody has done it yet? I think you need to STFU for real, "oh, I doubt you made 200whp at 6 psi because I really don't know what I'm talking about." But then again, it's pretty clear you don't understand what it takes to make power.
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Really? If that's the case, where are these people at? How come nobody has done it yet? I think you need to STFU for real, "oh, I doubt you made 200whp at 6 psi because I really don't know what I'm talking about." But then again, it's pretty clear you don't understand what it takes to make power.

Screw you Andy, Id put my Turbo Em2 up against yours anyday. I know what it takes to make RELIABLE POWER, a built engine.
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Screw you Andy, Id put my Turbo Em2 up against yours anyday. I know what it takes to make RELIABLE POWER, a built engine.
I would like to watch that.. even if I know andy has done all this on a stock block, the AEM EMS and a d16 Intake manifold.. either way I would like to see it hell even make a special trip to the track to watch it
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Screw you Andy, Id put my Turbo Em2 up against yours anyday. I know what it takes to make RELIABLE POWER, a built engine.
Ok.....you're right. That's why tuning and engine management aren't important and have nothing to do with power. So that must mean you can't damage forged pistons or rods, then...right?
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Ok.....you're right. That's why tuning and engine management aren't important and have nothing to do with power. So that must mean you can't damage forged pistons or rods, then...right?
Point awarded to Andy
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