clearing up the 8THgen FI question.......
clearing up the 8THgen FI question.......
ive read alot of people with concerns of FI on 8thgen civic. the other day a buddy at a honda dealership let me check one out, (it was good cus i didnt have someone hounding me to BUY BUY BUY!) im not going crazy into details cus i didnt have alot of time to check it out, but a turbo project shouldnt be any more difficult than on a 7thgen, pretty much same clearance for the most part.
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Have you not looked at this? There is no header. Won't that make it difficult to have a turbo manifold?
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As many people have said, anything is possible. There is going to be a company that makes a full setup that WILL work well on the new 8th gen motor. You will need to have everything custom made from the "cat/header" down. Someone will be more than will to do this and they will make bank from it.
This is funny. We were talking about this exact thing yesterday afternoon. We have an 8th gen EX and an SI sitting right next to each other in the shop and are comparing the cars closely.
The problem with a turbo kit on the (non SI) 8th gen is that it will be essentially IMPOSSIBLE to make a traditional one and still earn a carb E.O. number.
The reason is the cat. It is a "close coupled" design and a very important feature of this is the distance from the exhaust port. No product that increases the cat's distance from the head will earn an EO number. Since the cat is bolted directly to the head, that means no turbo unless you do it downstream of the cat and that will be a big problem as it will put it under the car.
Now, if an EO number is not required, a turbo kit is easy.
The comparison to the 7th gen is incomplete as only the DX/LX has the close coupled cat, the EX does not, but shares the same basic motor. That gives turbo kit developers a reason to make a turbo kit for the 7th Gen since the performance version (EX) can use it. The compelling reason to make one for the DX/LX/EX 8th gen is not present since the performance version does not share the same platform.
None of this applies to the SI.
The problem with a turbo kit on the (non SI) 8th gen is that it will be essentially IMPOSSIBLE to make a traditional one and still earn a carb E.O. number.
The reason is the cat. It is a "close coupled" design and a very important feature of this is the distance from the exhaust port. No product that increases the cat's distance from the head will earn an EO number. Since the cat is bolted directly to the head, that means no turbo unless you do it downstream of the cat and that will be a big problem as it will put it under the car.
Now, if an EO number is not required, a turbo kit is easy.
The comparison to the 7th gen is incomplete as only the DX/LX has the close coupled cat, the EX does not, but shares the same basic motor. That gives turbo kit developers a reason to make a turbo kit for the 7th Gen since the performance version (EX) can use it. The compelling reason to make one for the DX/LX/EX 8th gen is not present since the performance version does not share the same platform.
None of this applies to the SI.
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Originally Posted by HondaLuver
uh, thats how the lx/dx are, the header is on the cat...
but with the 7th gen you can switch your Lx cat/head to the EX version, very easily. with the 8th gen this option is out the window at the moment because DX/LX use a different motor from the the EX
It might be easier to make a turbo for the 8th gen. All u need is a pipe from the head, to the turbo, no traditional manifold is necessary. It might be cheaper/easier to build than a manifold with runners.
Originally Posted by 2blu
It might be easier to make a turbo for the 8th gen. All u need is a pipe from the head, to the turbo, no traditional manifold is necessary. It might be cheaper/easier to build than a manifold with runners.
carbonfly your right theres no header, in fact i forgot that. but the pic you posted to prove me wrong, proves you wrong, im sure people will jump on the oppurtunity to sell a small pipe that bolts to the head where the cat does and then goes a few inches to a turbo, it will be easy and cheap as hell to make. so back to my point.
I'm not sayin it's not easy. I agree that it would be one of the easiest turbo kits to make. I just think that as a business decision, it leaves alot to be desired.
The number of kits sold will be small since there is a clearly defined performance path from Honda that does not include this model and the fact that it would be illegal in every states in the US. Add to that the desire (demand) from customers that it be a cheap kit since it's so easy and you end up with a small $$ profit spread over a small number of kits. IMHO it's just not as easy a business decision as you think.
However, I do think that there will be boatloads of turbo kits for the Si.
The number of kits sold will be small since there is a clearly defined performance path from Honda that does not include this model and the fact that it would be illegal in every states in the US. Add to that the desire (demand) from customers that it be a cheap kit since it's so easy and you end up with a small $$ profit spread over a small number of kits. IMHO it's just not as easy a business decision as you think.
However, I do think that there will be boatloads of turbo kits for the Si.
Last edited by DelSolid; Oct 14, 2005 at 01:48 PM.
Originally Posted by DelSolid
I'm not sayin it's not easy. I agree that it would be one of the easiest turbo kits to make. I just think that as a business decision, it leaves alot to be desired.
The number of kits sold will be small since there is a clearly defined performance path from Honda that does not include this model and the fact that it would be illegal in every states in the US. Add to that the desire (demand) from customers that it be a cheap kit since it's so easy and you end up with a small $$ profit spread over a small number of kits. IMHO it's just not as easy a business decision as you think.
However, I do think that there will be boatloads of turbo kits for the Si.
The number of kits sold will be small since there is a clearly defined performance path from Honda that does not include this model and the fact that it would be illegal in every states in the US. Add to that the desire (demand) from customers that it be a cheap kit since it's so easy and you end up with a small $$ profit spread over a small number of kits. IMHO it's just not as easy a business decision as you think.
However, I do think that there will be boatloads of turbo kits for the Si.
if im not mistaken since when does that stop a turbo company from making a turbo kit?? how many kits do we have available on the 7thgen that dont even have a carb e.o.??? exactly my point.. i have seen a dx/lx side by side with a ex and compared the differences.. only if i had my camera with me but based on how it looks you can take the ex headers and put it on the dx/lx.. the dx/lx was designed too be cheaper and less performance oriented which is the reason why they decided to kill 2 birds with one stone on the dx/lx by building the cat on the headers which can be clearly seen on how they did on the 7thgen.
now from a consumer point of view if you want performance you should be picking up the SI to begin with. Now of course your gonna have some people that will say "they didnt have the SI's when i went to get my car so i just got the EX"... or something like that.. but you know what.. someone someway will make a kit for the dx/lx/ex only because if nobody else out there is making them, then you know everyones gonna buy there kit. and the company will be making some quick money. know what i mean
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i saw a si today, and there is no freaking room in there, you can't even see the header. everything will be a bitch to install... my civics engine bay has so much more room than the new civic
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