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i am still trying to figure out what your statement has to do with his quote

 
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1. he said he was gonna run 6 psi, not 8 psi. lowering compression is expensive ... ~$400-600 for good pistons + labor ... and if you get rods to go with it, even more expensive. does anyone even make aftermarket d17 rods?

lower compression pistons = less hp per psi ... imo, the price of lowering compression to 9.0:1 isn't worth it to only run 2-3 more psi (from 8 psi)

2. that is totally ridiculous. NOTHING is going to blow up with your k20 unless you misshift ... that's like saying that ep3's and dc5's have to be careful with blowing up their engine

3. that is an opinion, not a fact.

4. I don't even know what to say .... um ... cool?

here's a dyno of an ep3 with i/h/e/k100 ... 165 whp, 142 wtq

another dyno of an ep3 with i/h/e ... 163 whp, 137 wtq ... no hondata this time.

I believe the sf kit with their upgraded turbo put down 166 whp, 16x wtq at 6 psi ... a turbo of a smaller size is gonna put down somewhat less hp than that. like I said earlier, drivetofast's car with the sf kit and upgraded turbo, exhaust put out 155 whp at 5 psi. I don't know what these stock d17 t25 turbo guys are running at 6 psi, but I imagine it's less than 165 whp

 
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wtf, why can't you figure it out?

the guy said not k20a2, k20a ... referring to the 13.5 1/4 mile ... which implies that the earlier person was making an unfair comparison with a k20a and a 13 psi turbo setup. obviously a turbo d17 at 13 psi is gonna pull on a k20a3 i/h/e

 
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lmfao... well I'll point out thatt he thread title is k20a3 vs d17 turbo and we ALL know what the answer to that is lmao

 
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again, one opinion vs another.

I would choose the k20a3, rather than a 6 psi turbo setup

 
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swap to an a2, then boost.

 
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So if it's your opinion who cares, it's an opinion thread then so stop trying to tell people who right and whos wrong. Opinions are just that, there is no correct answer...

 
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when there are incorrect facts behind opinions, that is when I intervened

 
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Well, I guess we should just leave this thread alone, people will do what They want to do with THEIR rides... we all have differen't wants and needs =)

 
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hm, let's make a list of the threads of all the turbo problems people have been having over the past 1 day

http://www.7thgencivic.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=201882
http://www.7thgencivic.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=201834
http://www.7thgencivic.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=201897

 
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Lmao you just don't get it do you? PEOPLE CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT jebus lmao

 
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um, this is a forum for posting information. nowhere in any of my posts did I say that the guy is only allowed to get a swap, idiot. and this is exactly what I am doing ... posting information and giving facts.

 
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exactly why i'm not keen on turbos.

 
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idk, i took it as he was saying to get a k20a, not a a2.....but then again, i have no idea who he was talking to. I am confuzzled ...... lol

 
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How about you keep the name calling to your recess at school and let people have opinions.

 
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hee hee.

 
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i think the k20a3 is a great engine. same torque as the k20a2 and a lot of people say both engines feel the same except for when the k20a2 hits vtec. IMO if i ever swap it'll be a k20a3 unless i find a crazy deal on the type s engine.

 
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To each his own. IMO this thread is beating a dead horse. If you want more headaches, and potential for power wth about $4000-5000 to play with....swap

If you can't be bothered with ECU, axle, clutch etc swaps....turbo the D17. It will make you a decent contender, if you want to get sick and be unique, get internals and crank the power to 13+ PSI. Cost for all of this is going to be $4000-5000 as well.

Reliability, swap is going to be a little more, but a turbo D17 that is tuned properly and not beaten to death can easily be reliable too.

Regardless of what the motor, a FWD car with 200-300 WHP is going to have severe traction issues.

 
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beating a dead horse is right.

 
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thats sick

 
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Bullshit I raced a k20a2 swapped 7th gen when i was running a T25 10psi custom turbo kit. he walked all over me.

I also raced an ep3 with Injen Intake and pulled away.

 
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SO TRUE!

 
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obviously the swap would be better in the long run if u turbo, nitrous, n/a for easier #'s then having to extract so much out of a 1.7 etc . But the big question is how much hp u looking for? People have gotten over 300 hp on turboed d16y8 etc and some even 400. With the ems and more turbo parts/internals the d17 will soon do the same. So sometimes a turboed built d17a1 or 2 wouldnt be a bad decision either. Btw stop saying turboed cars wont last as long as n/a cars. Getting on ur car all the time is bad no matter what u done or have to it, and u think revving to 9 is good all the time. With a good tune, matienence, and goin easy on it, it should last a long time. People on honda-tech boost insane amount of hp on STOCK sleeves and blocks and some still havent blown anything. Lemme say also that i HAVE seen people turbo old d15 and d16 mtrs wit over 100,000 miles so far and no problems

 
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I don't even know why I looked in this thread. I knew it would be a bunch of bullshit, but here's my 2 cents anyway. If you've got $500 to $1000 buy nitrous. If you've got $2500 to $3500 go turbo D17. If you have enough for a swap and some serious mods (I would at least spray), then do that. No one way is better than the other until you line up side-by-side.

 
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my 2 cents aw well. ..

there sum <a href='http://consumeralertsystem.com/cas/zx-hclick.php?hid=181' target='_blank'>cat</a> on HSTuners.com and hes running a 2003 EM2 , stock D17a2 with a custom turbo kit i believe SF, and hes running 13's. , he and his crew are taking the engine apart and sleevn the block and adding internals.. lookn to try and do low 12's ... .. i didnt believe it but there was a vid on it with the turbo on stock D17a2. its prolly up there still i dont know, tho it was a while ago.

 
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a turbocharged D17A2 will go 13's on 9-10 psi of boost on a small T3. I have the timeslips to prove it.

Now i am going to prove that the D17A2 can go low 11's on a "slightly larger" turbo


**** by slightly larger, i mean freakin huge ****