turbo or nitrous
if you all motor and and only nitrous, you wont take type-s that easily. if you ha ve i/h/e you can probably beat him but in the long run he will catch up.
Ive raced a type-s 2005 chipped, intake, header, exhaust, high flor cat, pulley, a fixed up naturally aspirated type-s with 210 base hp.
Id say if the type-s was bone stock and you had alot of bolt-ons with a 50 shot you can take the type-s. not doubting you on everything. if the type-s is fixed up also, it wouldnt be as easy as you say it.
Ive raced a type-s 2005 chipped, intake, header, exhaust, high flor cat, pulley, a fixed up naturally aspirated type-s with 210 base hp.
Id say if the type-s was bone stock and you had alot of bolt-ons with a 50 shot you can take the type-s. not doubting you on everything. if the type-s is fixed up also, it wouldnt be as easy as you say it.
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Originally Posted by Civic_RedLine
if you all motor and and only nitrous, you wont take type-s that easily. if you ha ve i/h/e you can probably beat him but in the long run he will catch up.
Ive raced a type-s 2005 chipped, intake, header, exhaust, high flor cat, pulley, a fixed up naturally aspirated type-s with 210 base hp.
Id say if the type-s was bone stock and you had alot of bolt-ons with a 50 shot you can take the type-s. not doubting you on everything. if the type-s is fixed up also, it wouldnt be as easy as you say it.
Ive raced a type-s 2005 chipped, intake, header, exhaust, high flor cat, pulley, a fixed up naturally aspirated type-s with 210 base hp.
Id say if the type-s was bone stock and you had alot of bolt-ons with a 50 shot you can take the type-s. not doubting you on everything. if the type-s is fixed up also, it wouldnt be as easy as you say it.
I thought we were talking stock or just I/E. Yeah chipped K20's would be a bit harder to take. Especially if they have I/E/H. As long as the RSX owner could drive the 50 shot probally wouldn't be enough for your average civic driver to win that battle. You never know until you try though.
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I just recently finished my install of the NX wet 50 shot w/ bottle warmer, and man it is rediculous how much faster it makes the car @ nearly 1000psi
I paid a total of about $475 for a used NX kit, bottle warmer, purge kit, pressure gauge, all necessary wiring and switches, bottle brackets, & new colder spark plugs. Did the install w/ a friend of mine, and there is absolutely nothing for under $500 that can give you the same kind of power. I'm gonna need a new clutch in no time... mine slips like a bitch w/ all the extra torque
Go with nitrous!
I paid a total of about $475 for a used NX kit, bottle warmer, purge kit, pressure gauge, all necessary wiring and switches, bottle brackets, & new colder spark plugs. Did the install w/ a friend of mine, and there is absolutely nothing for under $500 that can give you the same kind of power. I'm gonna need a new clutch in no time... mine slips like a bitch w/ all the extra torque
Go with nitrous!
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I know this might be a repost but they have some dyno numbers
http://www.hondatuningmagazine.com/tech/0203ht_nx/
do you think that a auto tranny vic with n20 could take the type-s?
http://www.hondatuningmagazine.com/tech/0203ht_nx/
do you think that a auto tranny vic with n20 could take the type-s?
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It comez down to how much coin you have to spend. Low budget foolz will go wit nawz cuz they cant afford turbo. Ballaz go wit da turbo cuz datz were da real power iz!
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Originally Posted by Quick Silver
It comez down to how much coin you have to spend. Low budget foolz will go wit nawz cuz they cant afford turbo. Ballaz go wit da turbo cuz datz were da real power iz!
lol fo realz. I have seen a vid of a hatch with a h22 running low 14's. Didnt thiscrackerntam run a 14.2? So i would believe u could take out a civic with an h22a swap with i/h/e and a 75 shot.
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Rep Power: 0 I never said that I know a lot about this...all I said is that people with money spend it on mods that produce significant results time after time, without the need to go fill up a bottle. It has nothing to do with what type of car you have, it has to do with the amount of money you are willing to spend on it.
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It comez down to how much coin you have to spend. Low budget foolz will go wit nawz cuz they cant afford turbo. Ballaz go wit da turbo cuz datz were da real power iz!
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nos is cheaper but have fun paying to refill it all the time ... get a turbo and have that extra power 100% of the time
That right there is for those who just wanna beat up on their cars all the time regardless if they're racing someone or not and dont mind working on their cars fixing and monitoring everything non stop. Everyone knows that there have been more members who have thrown rods and blown head gaskets by boosting compared to those who have done the same running the bottle.
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Rep Power: 0 Actually, you can get a lot out of a n/a vic. Of course, you have to have the right "base" engine. There are n/a civic motors puttin out 500 whp. I will be doing a K20A2 swap and will be building the crap out of that engine before I even think about doin turbo.
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Originally Posted by thiscrackerntam
That right there is for those who just wanna beat up on their cars all the time regardless if they're racing someone or not and dont mind working on their cars fixing and monitoring everything non stop. Everyone knows that there have been more members who have thrown rods and blown head gaskets by boosting compared to those who have done the same running the bottle. I personally hate the D17 but may still boost it eventually, but I think the K20 is a much better investment IMO.
I personally hate the D17 but may still boost it eventually, but I think the K20 is a much better investment IMO. reason why i wanna swap a a2 is because of the potential. Right now with i/h/e k-pro they r gettin over 190-200 range. Most b-series cant do that without internals, cams etc. But only prob is the money.
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Originally Posted by allmotor
reason why i wanna swap a a2 is because of the potential. Right now with i/h/e k-pro they r gettin over 190-200 range. Most b-series cant do that without internals, cams etc. But only prob is the money.
redline did u see those new cams that came out for the k20a2? With the IPS-K2 cams and PRC intake mani with bored tb, Hondata img, cai, dcrh, 5zigen catback, and k-pro-tuned they got 234.1 hp and 162.2 tq. There website is intrinsicperformance.com I am sure with good dr's that should hit 13's easily. With the 75 shot theres 12's.
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Originally Posted by allmotor
redline did u see those new cams that came out for the k20a2? With the IPS-K2 cams and PRC intake mani with bored tb, Hondata img, cai, dcrh, 5zigen catback, and k-pro-tuned they got 234.1 hp and 162.2 tq. There website is intrinsicperformance.com I am sure with good dr's that should hit 13's easily. With the 75 shot theres 12's.
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Originally Posted by allmotor
redline did u see those new cams that came out for the k20a2? With the IPS-K2 cams and PRC intake mani with bored tb, Hondata img, cai, dcrh, 5zigen catback, and k-pro-tuned they got 234.1 hp and 162.2 tq. There website is intrinsicperformance.com I am sure with good dr's that should hit 13's easily. With the 75 shot theres 12's.
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Originally Posted by thiscrackerntam
That right there is for those who just wanna beat up on their cars all the time regardless if they're racing someone or not and dont mind working on their cars fixing and monitoring everything non stop. Everyone knows that there have been more members who have thrown rods and blown head gaskets by boosting compared to those who have done the same running the bottle. I personally hate the D17 but may still boost it eventually, but I think the K20 is a much better investment IMO.
I personally hate the D17 but may still boost it eventually, but I think the K20 is a much better investment IMO.A correct nitrous setup should in the end cost as much as a turbo kit.
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Originally Posted by thiscrackerntam
^^people always pay so much attention to the hp numbers....what they dont think about is, when it comes to nitrous, its not all about the hp. Its about the torque. Nitrous gives you A LOT of torque, and its the torque that moves you down the track for the most part, not the hp.
It's abotu time there is another person out there that understands this about cars and goin fast...
all to often people are concerend with peak HP numbers and forget to even look at a dynograph...people don't realize that 400 HP is fantastic to have at peak, but a car with a solid powerband and 350 HP will walk all over it...
This is all to apprent with turbo guys...especially apparent with those with boosted b18/b16's....it seems all they do is rely on the biggest hairdryer to make the biggest number....granted some are built correctly and do well...but the majority do not
I'm a dynograph *****...where the average tuner only looks at peak HP, I look at the whole curve...you can always tell jackasses when they make comments like 'it only gives you 2 hp more...'....**** it may be true that it only gives 2 peak power, but it may give alot larger gains (5 to 15 horse) at specific rpms...aka where before the mod it had 120 at 2300 rpm, but i like when after it may ahve 135 at the same point
I could go on for hours, but I'm going to choose not to...just like the the crackerteam about nitro...thats his cup of tea...if you want to go turbo just listen to me: build your engine and boost it, or swap for a k20 and boost it lol!!
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Originally Posted by AceAltima
It's abotu time there is another person out there that understands this about cars and goin fast...
all to often people are concerend with peak HP numbers and forget to even look at a dynograph...people don't realize that 400 HP is fantastic to have at peak, but a car with a solid powerband and 350 HP will walk all over it...
This is all to apprent with turbo guys...especially apparent with those with boosted b18/b16's....it seems all they do is rely on the biggest hairdryer to make the biggest number....granted some are built correctly and do well...but the majority do not
I'm a dynograph *****...where the average tuner only looks at peak HP, I look at the whole curve...you can always tell jackasses when they make comments like 'it only gives you 2 hp more...'....**** it may be true that it only gives 2 peak power, but it may give alot larger gains (5 to 15 horse) at specific rpms...aka where before the mod it had 120 at 2300 rpm, but i like when after it may ahve 135 at the same point
I could go on for hours, but I'm going to choose not to...just like the the crackerteam about nitro...thats his cup of tea...if you want to go turbo just listen to me: build your engine and boost it, or swap for a k20 and boost it lol!!
all to often people are concerend with peak HP numbers and forget to even look at a dynograph...people don't realize that 400 HP is fantastic to have at peak, but a car with a solid powerband and 350 HP will walk all over it...
This is all to apprent with turbo guys...especially apparent with those with boosted b18/b16's....it seems all they do is rely on the biggest hairdryer to make the biggest number....granted some are built correctly and do well...but the majority do not
I'm a dynograph *****...where the average tuner only looks at peak HP, I look at the whole curve...you can always tell jackasses when they make comments like 'it only gives you 2 hp more...'....**** it may be true that it only gives 2 peak power, but it may give alot larger gains (5 to 15 horse) at specific rpms...aka where before the mod it had 120 at 2300 rpm, but i like when after it may ahve 135 at the same point
I could go on for hours, but I'm going to choose not to...just like the the crackerteam about nitro...thats his cup of tea...if you want to go turbo just listen to me: build your engine and boost it, or swap for a k20 and boost it lol!!
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Originally Posted by DIZZLE
There have been quite a few people that have blown an engine due to Nitrous, me being one of them! Nitrous isnt safe LONGTERM unless you build your motor correctly. Fuel system(especially a fuel pump), rods, pistons (with nitrous specific rings), Not including the head overhaul that has to take place also
A correct nitrous setup should in the end cost as much as a turbo kit.
A correct nitrous setup should in the end cost as much as a turbo kit.
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Originally Posted by AceAltima
It's abotu time there is another person out there that understands this about cars and goin fast...
all to often people are concerend with peak HP numbers and forget to even look at a dynograph...people don't realize that 400 HP is fantastic to have at peak, but a car with a solid powerband and 350 HP will walk all over it...
This is all to apprent with turbo guys...especially apparent with those with boosted b18/b16's....it seems all they do is rely on the biggest hairdryer to make the biggest number....granted some are built correctly and do well...but the majority do not
I'm a dynograph *****...where the average tuner only looks at peak HP, I look at the whole curve...you can always tell jackasses when they make comments like 'it only gives you 2 hp more...'....**** it may be true that it only gives 2 peak power, but it may give alot larger gains (5 to 15 horse) at specific rpms...aka where before the mod it had 120 at 2300 rpm, but i like when after it may ahve 135 at the same point
I could go on for hours, but I'm going to choose not to...just like the the crackerteam about nitro...thats his cup of tea...if you want to go turbo just listen to me: build your engine and boost it, or swap for a k20 and boost it lol!!
all to often people are concerend with peak HP numbers and forget to even look at a dynograph...people don't realize that 400 HP is fantastic to have at peak, but a car with a solid powerband and 350 HP will walk all over it...
This is all to apprent with turbo guys...especially apparent with those with boosted b18/b16's....it seems all they do is rely on the biggest hairdryer to make the biggest number....granted some are built correctly and do well...but the majority do not
I'm a dynograph *****...where the average tuner only looks at peak HP, I look at the whole curve...you can always tell jackasses when they make comments like 'it only gives you 2 hp more...'....**** it may be true that it only gives 2 peak power, but it may give alot larger gains (5 to 15 horse) at specific rpms...aka where before the mod it had 120 at 2300 rpm, but i like when after it may ahve 135 at the same point
I could go on for hours, but I'm going to choose not to...just like the the crackerteam about nitro...thats his cup of tea...if you want to go turbo just listen to me: build your engine and boost it, or swap for a k20 and boost it lol!!
Well dont get me completely wrong. I love nitrous and I love turbo. I'm not totally enthused about the idea of boosting the D17. I think its almost a worthless engine when you wanna talk racing, but believe it or not, once again I'm considering going turbo AGAIN. The K20 IS a better investment but the turbo will be easier to obtain because you can buy it piece by piece so I may just boost for a while until I'm a little more handy with the cash to buy a K20 when the time comes.
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Rep Power: 0 I think it all depends on what kind of driver u are. If you only want a cheap boost of power then get n2o. If you want a better all around daily driver and not crave for more then boost the d17. If u want a higher performance engine that u can mod the crap out of and get good numbers then swap is the way to go.
