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iTrader: (31)

Alright guys, I'm in a bit of a debocle.

I am turbo'n my 7thgen and I need some advice.

With a T3 turbo set up, running 440CC injectors, looking to push between 5 and 9 lbs daily, what is the best to get to control things.

Emanage or SAFC?

vtecd17

E-manage. (dont forget u need another harnees to mess with timing)

gearbox

iTrader: (95)

safcii only controls air/fuel and vtec, and even then not by much. Go with the e-manage, or wait for Hondata.

gtracing

iTrader: (6)

safc doesn't control vtec..only air/fuel...vafc controls all three...

go with emanage, simply because there's more **** to play around with, safc/vafc is only for looks for people who don't have power...like me..hahaha

especially if ur going with a turbo setup, u definitely want more points on ur fuel curve that u can adjust to get that "straight" fuel line...

gearbox

iTrader: (95)

oops yeah it doesn't control vtec. But the vafc/safc is good for us slower cars with boltons. It won't have all those other options that are better for turbo.

guns

VAFC2 is not a good choice for even VTEC control. Anyone who has dyno'd their car with VAFC and changed the engagement point can testify that the ECU goes nuts and you loose power by messing with it.


E-Manage>VAFC2

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iTrader: (31)

alright looks like I'll have to sell off my SAFC II and go for an emanage system

tfnaaf

iTrader: (2)

what are the REAL advantages of e-manage? after talking with a tunner today he suggested the AFC, being the e-manage has too many bells and whistles and basically does the same for less $$$?

opto_isolator

iTrader: (8)

The ability to control timing.....hands down, is the best feature...

vtecd17

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ FOR SHO!


E-manage can control your duty cycle alot better than vafc, plus you can retard/forward tming with it. JUST REMEMBER YOU NEED THE IGNITION HARNESS TO ADJUST THE TIMING!

tfnaaf

iTrader: (2)

What about for idle quality adjustability?

C2i0v0i1C

iTrader: (2)

are we going with an upgraded pump somewhere in the mix of all this

C2i0v0i1C

iTrader: (2)

my **** idled at stock and thats even adjustable so...

tfnaaf

iTrader: (2)

for me? yes walbro

C2i0v0i1C

iTrader: (2)

nah for BIG

BIG

iTrader: (31)

is that what you guys recommend? The Walbro. I know I can get one, but is it necessary if I'm pushing up to 8 lbs of boost?

I think I'll just get both the SAFC II and the emanage...I like the bling effect of the SAFC II inside the car, but functionally the emanage owns. I can have both right?

As well, I got both the stock RSX 330CC injectors and the RC 440CC injectors for the RSX. I think either will fit, but the 440s are better to go with correct?

vtecd17

you could get both...or not be stupid and get one or the other, and use the extra money to buy urself a short shifter...or some clothes....or a halloween costume..

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iTrader: (31)

haha....well the thing is I already bought the SAFC II and I think I got a really good deal on it, so I need the emange anyways to retard my timing a little (once it gets advanced with the increased fuel) so I think I'll just keep it. I've wasted enough money on this car why not another $100, haha

tfnaaf

iTrader: (2)

Just curious has anyone shown or seen any REAL gains from the adjustable timing in the e-manage. I realize that there is alot more to the e-manage then the AFC. Im just trying to figure out if the extra $$$ investment is worth it on the e-manage. I like the idea of more adjustability, but if none is getting any real gains i may go with the AFC route with rsx injectors. Hell i may even go real basic and use FMU. Is anyone running the rsx injectors with the afc that can comment on the driveability/performance compared to the e-manage?

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iTrader: (31)

I'm not under the impression that there are any real gains, just that emanage reduces the risk of detonation with its capability of retarding the timing with the increased amount of fuel


Side note: as someone asked, I just bought my Walbro fuel pump today

shady88

hey big, im planning to do a t3 based setup with some rc 440's also, i was planning to use the aem ems, but thats a no go. id def recommend the e-manage w/ the support tool b/c it has the ability to control timing and can tune the fuel map better. also ive read that our ecu poops out with a V-AFC II. the support tool for the e-manage makes it all worth using it, and it gives you a good excuse to get an indash tft and throw a computer in the car. eheh -- Jeremy

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iTrader: (31)

thanks alot Shady.....any ideas on if I can use my touchscreen Pioneer indash with the emanage?

opto_isolator

iTrader: (8)

If you run larger injectors - your timing is going to be advanced already (if you alter the MAP signal to accomplish this). Timing that is already advanced too much under boost = fried ringlands. The emanage allows you to back the timing off under boost to prevent detotaton....

C2i0v0i1C

iTrader: (2)

ur telling me that u want to use both emanage and safc at the same time, wtf for, why dont u just put two boost guages on ur a pillar and hook them both up!!! i guess if u just want the blue screen to light up and numbers to bounce around then so be it, but its one hell of a waste

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iTrader: (31)

yeah I kinda just wanted the safc for the display, I guess it would be kind of a waste right? Would having the safc be better for minor adjustments, or should nI just stick with the emanage?

kkk

just wanted to know wats the price of VafcII and e-manage at ur place?
over here its
vafcII -- 300$
e-manage -- 840$


now which one is better for 9 psi max ?