TSI Extreme Turbo kit Vs. SF Basic turbo kit
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Didn't someone just say that it could come with a T28BB, are you smokign crack, get that. It's the best of both worlds, a hybrid of t25 and t3 mixed together! A 28 would be perfect for what your trying to accomplish, and it's BB which is gonna make it spool hella faster than non BB's =)
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Originally Posted by TheSmuggler
Didn't someone just say that it could come with a T28BB, are you smokign crack, get that. It's the best of both worlds, a hybrid of t25 and t3 mixed together! A 28 would be perfect for what your trying to accomplish, and it's BB which is gonna make it spool hella faster than non BB's =)
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Originally Posted by futurersxswap
SF for sure man.. we have yet to see good track times from other kits.. tried and tested best kit out there... easy high 13s around 8psi...
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Rep Power: 396 Damn that sucks, but then you gotta understand that kit was made to run that high amount of boost, you better throw on a ticker head gasket just to be safe lol. Damn thats high even for Fac. TC'ed cars
Originally Posted by dezod
Regardless of turbo size, the auto tranny is not going to hold or perform any better no matter what size turbo you buy. If it is T3, T25 or T3/T4. The auto tranny is a power eater...Plain and simple. The driveability is actually quite fine on a T3. It drives like n/a in light street mode driving without building boost unless you hit it a little more and want boost to build. If you have gobs of low end and can build boost while barely doing anything, then your not going to have a tranny left after a few months anyway. Then you may have just as well swapped to 5 speed and got the T3. Not to mention the fact you will need more boost pressure on a smaller turbo to make same power that a larger turbo makes on less PSI.
7PSI on a T25 does not equal 7PSI on a T3.
Edit: Plus we are running a fully functional catalytic converter, which robs quite a bit of power as well.
7PSI on a T25 does not equal 7PSI on a T3.
Edit: Plus we are running a fully functional catalytic converter, which robs quite a bit of power as well.
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its ok I guess, but you will never get what you want with any of those mitsu turboes. They are small and flow low CFM but rotate so fast that they produce an equivilant equation of moving air. THe only thing is, the volume is very differnt and their efficiency is horrible!
guys, I sell the SF kit, I have gotten rides in it multiple times. It has torque, and large turbo has torque. Dont forget that its not only about how fast you run the 1320, its also about how the car drives. If you have to beat the death out of it to run possibly 13's--- then IMO its not worth it. Catalyst ran a 13.6 on 11psi and alchohol wich ive gotten a ride before in (Similar car) and its not straining. the only t25 experience ive had in a honda was a T25 kit in a d16z6 SOHC, which was horrific to watch as the motor hardly pulled.
im not bothering anymore. get what you want, just dont get upset when you can break 14's if that t25's life depended on it.
Why do you think Dezod, Stafford (for 7thgens) use T3 and make power? Why does no one else but good ole "greeeeeeeeeeedy" use t25 and t28 -- because they are not worth it in long run! its a cost effective method to save money.
Why do you think Dezod, Stafford (for 7thgens) use T3 and make power? Why does no one else but good ole "greeeeeeeeeeedy" use t25 and t28 -- because they are not worth it in long run! its a cost effective method to save money.
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Rep Power: 396 Well, I think he just wants a little more bower, but then you gotta remember eddie that if he slapps on anything larger than a 28 he's gonna get some lag, mabye really bad. I was kinda under the impression he wants around 200 whp.... so that could be a t28, but dont cast out the 25 yet bro, it's quick spooling makes it formidle on a daily driven street car thats not trying to set any records. Check out the rate it puts down from an SR20 blacktop =)
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Rep Power: 312 You have to take into account that not all T25's, all T28's, and all T3's are the same. I can make a T28 spool up late, and i can make a T3 spool up quick. You have to remember there are trims for the compressor and turbine wheels, .AR ratings for the compressor and exhaust housing, inducer and exducer sizes, and other aspects of each turbo series. All of these play a part in spoolup times.
Just remember this, a normal T3 Super 60 is still a T3. And the turbo off of a volvo is still a T3. There are drastic differences between the two. But, they are both still T3 series turbos. This goes for all turbos. You cant judge a book by its cover, nor a turbo by its designation.
Just remember this, a normal T3 Super 60 is still a T3. And the turbo off of a volvo is still a T3. There are drastic differences between the two. But, they are both still T3 series turbos. This goes for all turbos. You cant judge a book by its cover, nor a turbo by its designation.
Originally Posted by Catalyst
You have to take into account that not all T25's, all T28's, and all T3's are the same. I can make a T28 spool up late, and i can make a T3 spool up quick. You have to remember there are trims for the compressor and turbine wheels, .AR ratings for the compressor and exhaust housing, inducer and exducer sizes, and other aspects of each turbo series. All of these play a part in spoolup times.
Just remember this, a normal T3 Super 60 is still a T3. And the turbo off of a volvo is still a T3. There are drastic differences between the two. But, they are both still T3 series turbos. This goes for all turbos. You cant judge a book by its cover, nor a turbo by its designation.
Just remember this, a normal T3 Super 60 is still a T3. And the turbo off of a volvo is still a T3. There are drastic differences between the two. But, they are both still T3 series turbos. This goes for all turbos. You cant judge a book by its cover, nor a turbo by its designation.
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Originally Posted by CarboyHieu86
TSI would be my pick, im starting my turbo fund too and im going with TSI rather than SF cuz of their reputation
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Originally Posted by drjvic04
I like the numbers that Dezod is putting out. A lot of people doctor up numbers when they do dynos to get the wow factor. Some people fall for it. Im not saying that SF did that. I just mean that when I saw Dezod's #'s I didn't automatically have to adjust for the BS factor you see in so many kits today. I like that, it lets me know that they're on the up and up. If the numbers aren't what you want keep in mind that this on an economy car with a catylitic converter(by the way a lot of people dont do dyno runs without some sort of cut out or test pipe). Don't hate on the kit, just because this guy respects you enough to give you real results.
Dezod any valve body mods in the future for the VIC?
Dezod any valve body mods in the future for the VIC?
5 grand for what 45whp gain at 7psi? estimate... jesus k20 is 200hp and costs that much putting down a non laggy 180whp?
my god I know auto sf kits putting out 185whp(boostedciviczex) and this kit in works got that damn t3 lag to 3500rpms its a regular civic...
his kit was never good at numbers only thing went for it I will be honest in my opinion is street legalness.
in all honesty the best kit on this site despite some quality control issues is the SF kit. It will smoke wrx seen it in action...
I still stand by recomending all autos to use t25bb though because you'll regret being a "civic" na car until the 3500 rpms than by time you start feeling the power never get full advantage of it.
ohh a damn good turbo is the hks t28bb with ceramic blades catalyst
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Rep Power: 0 whoever commented on my line that no other kits have made good numbers... yeah, looks like the guy has me by a tenth, with me running a 2.252' on bald tires, AND 4 LESS FREAKING POUNDS OF BOOST!!!! lol... 13psi vs. 9psi (me) and he only runs .10 better than me??? LOL.. not to mention we dont know where in the 13.6s he was, i was 13.71, so in theory he might only be .02 faster than me with 4 more pounds of boost,... that is just so hilarious to me... my bald street tires vs. his probly dr's atleast and 4 more pounds of boost and he gets me by 1/2 a bumper.. LOL
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Rep Power: 359 I don't like the bonnet look. I like the way it goes into the throttle and where the filter is on this kit. I want my kit to look like this, except another color.
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