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Old Oct 17, 2004
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If i got the TSI kit with a T28bb turbo, would it be possible to upgrade it with an SF fuel system??
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well my tsi turbo kit is getting installed and shoul dhave it back by tuesday or wednesday the lastest. then its up the turbotrix for tune and dyno. so ill post my sheet when i get it.
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lol way to ressurect... i am very interested in seeing how the tsi kit does... how long after ordering did you recieve your kit? does tsi have a website? and one more.. where did you order your kit from??
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Originally Posted by EternalBlue_Vic
If i got the TSI kit with a T28bb turbo, would it be possible to upgrade it with an SF fuel system??
Yes but why would you want to? The fuel unit that comes with the kit is fine as long as it is tuned properly.
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what if you upgrade to t3/t4 turbo on the SF is that any better or would it take to long to spool up. if you want to go hire on the boost can you do it with internal wasegate or do you have to upgrade the external wasegate
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Internal T3 or T28bb (i guess) is fine. T3/T4 if you wanna go crazy
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Originally Posted by WhiteCastle
hes putting out only 145whp....thats numbers?
5 grand for what 45whp gain at 7psi? estimate... jesus k20 is 200hp and costs that much putting down a non laggy 180whp?
my god I know auto sf kits putting out 185whp(boostedciviczex) and this kit in works got that damn t3 lag to 3500rpms its a regular civic...
his kit was never good at numbers only thing went for it I will be honest in my opinion is street legalness.

in all honesty the best kit on this site despite some quality control issues is the SF kit. It will smoke wrx seen it in action...

I still stand by recomending all autos to use t25bb though because you'll regret being a "civic" na car until the 3500 rpms than by time you start feeling the power never get full advantage of it.
ohh a damn good turbo is the hks t28bb with ceramic blades catalyst
How do you know the kit will be$5K? He hasn't released any prices yet, just a random guess in the beginning of everything. Now I'm not just defending him because of my sponsrship or anything... But this kit is setup on an AUTO civic. A 5 speed would show near identical numbers to SF. From what I'm seeing, Dezod's kit is making nice amounts of torque, with SF makin a little bit more HP. Both are great kits. I had an SF kit and loved it once I worked out the bugs. Once Dezod releases his kit then we can start comparing consistancy and reliability. He is spending HOURS every day trying to better the kit. More cost efficient manfifolds without sacraficing reliability and power is one for example. He's doing everything in his power to bring the price down as low as possible and still make nice numbers. Also, I want to see a stock 5 speed with Dezod's kit. That should help beef up the numbers. Compared to a stock auto civic, the car made an extra 60-70 lbs-ft at the wheels with a stock motor.

On another note... T3 Super 60 seems like the turbo of choice. I upgraded to a T3/T04B after about 8 months of boosting and it was ok, but my T3 with a .48 AR would run faster times with the same boost level. The larger turbo was just faster on the highway.
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so the t3 is better on the long run than the t3/t4 and how much boost can our d17 run on stock internals
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/\/\ safely i'd say 6-8 psi

But Guns ran 10-12psi daily with PnP head and stock bottom end for 2 years trouble free
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Stock internals with out modifying ignition timing or adding alchol, about 8. I would daily drive it between 6.5 and 7. Then track it at about 8-8.5. I did replace my HG with the Nippon leakless though. With alcohol, I hit just over 10psi (just once) and it was fast as hell but the motor didn't sound too happy. Pull back timing and you can run 8psi daily no problem. And yes, T3 is the way to go...

I'm putting an 18G on my 05 tC. That should be fun .
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it took 7 business days to get to my house. there is no need for a fuel upgrade it comes with everything you need.
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/\/\05 TC!? What happened to the Evo GSR!? Still have it or what?
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Originally Posted by exturbo6
it took 7 business days to get to my house. there is no need for a fuel upgrade it comes with everything you need.
Yes, i know this now, if you look, i posted that question 4 weeks ago
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Originally Posted by EternalBlue_Vic
/\/\05 TC!? What happened to the Evo GSR!? Still have it or what?
That's been sold too haha... I drove the tC and fell in love with it. The styling is great, it's quick, and I have anough cash now to go out as I please...
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/\/\/\ :cry

i would have kept the evo
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so if i wanted to go with more boost with aftermaret pistons,rods,valves and springs which company makes it for the d17 engines an how much boost will i be able go up to without trouble issues and whats the highest hp and 1/4 can the d17a2 go without blown engine and tranmission. no i dont have boost yet but saving for it aleady
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Originally Posted by 02CIVYEX
so if i wanted to go with more boost with aftermaret pistons,rods,valves and springs which company makes it for the d17 engines an how much boost will i be able go up to without trouble issues and whats the highest hp and 1/4 can the d17a2 go without blown engine and tranmission. no i dont have boost yet but saving for it aleady
I would think with a built engine, capable fuel system, stronger fuel pump, 50% or more over stock clutch then you could look at 10lbs daily as being the safest and most reliable. The tranny would go way before a built engine. Catalyst broke his tranny with 300+whp. Guns made 250ish whp with Port and Polished head (i dunno if the head was built or not) and stock bottom end on 10-14psi for 2 years "trouble" free from what he says
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SF makes power but takes long to get, TSI is available but is a so so kit IMO
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A properly built motor can get you a lot more than 10psi. The tranny does need work though. Beef up the synchros, upgrade the clutch quite a bit (ACT Xtreme2 or a puck), and upgrade your axels if you plan on making some serious power. An LSD will help too.

Any company can make custom pistions for you if you just send them your specs. I know that turbospecialties has them available pretty cheaply. Do a search I'm sure you'll find what you're looking for.
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/\/\ Hey madwheel, at what power would you wanna upgrade ur axles? I'm looking for 180whp tops.
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