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well, I usually dont start spraying until mid powerband in 1st, then spray all the way through 4th .... I know before I put 18's on, spraying in 1st was hopeless - I would lose traction instantly ... Now is a little different ... I spray the moment my tires hold and go all the way through ..... Haven't done it on a track yet but on the interstate (from a dead stop - LOL) I sprayed from 15-100 mph ... poor little civic hehehe

 
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heh... Well, I can only do that at the track of course while using drag radials, but I know exactly what you mean.

 
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Don't make yourself feel bad. Nitrous is sick; turbos are sick. With that turbo you can drive all day long, all month long, and always be just as fast. With nitrous, unless you live next door to a shop that can fill up the bottle, you aren't going to be using it all the time. Both power adders have their place. If you're serious about performance, there is so much further you can go with a turbo. I know how you feel, though. Sometimes I wish I would have saved all my money and just spent a grand total on performance mods. BUT, I'm not even boosted yet. So as it stands, I've spent almost 3 grand and I can't even enjoy it. That sucks.

 
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I definitely think that would be somethin to see. 250whp on a turbo d17 civic doesn't sound like 7psi to me, albeit impressive. Only reason i bring that up is because originally, that was the comparison that was to be made, i.e. 7-8psi vs a 75 shot. And it's a fair comparison seeing as though *typically* for every 1psi of boost you can estimate about 10 horses gain. 75 shot against that would be interesting to watch. I'm surprised to see some of my stuff posted on here. Thought this might add to help the discussion as well:



Notice, this is a 14.5 w/a shitty *** 60'. 2.3 to be exact. Meaning...the car had potential to be in the low 14's and possibly high 13's were it tuned properly, weight reduction and a non-slipping clutch (my clutch was slipping at that point). Now what you guys need to find is someone in the area of 200whp on 7-8psi, vs. someone on a 75 shot.

Like i said, interesting to watch because...we all know that n2o = instant torque/hp. No lag. And...like cracker mentioned before there are many of us who do use n2o out the hole meaning the power is there...all the way down the 1/4 mile. No rules of n2o are being broken there. No sprayin' in 5th, no sprayin more than 15 seconds. I can say, however, that in a "top end" race...turbo hands down.

 
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I also do agree that in a top end race the turbo will indeed win hands down, but a top end race is not the question. If you look at Gun's dyno just to use as an example of a turbocharged car, his car like all turbocharged cars, keeps building horsepower the higher he gets into the rpm's. Unlike SpdRcrChk's dyno, hers shows a steady even rate of hp through out the rpms and the torque rating is rather high in the low end, but the torque numbers taper off at a much higher rate of decent than the turocharged car does. On the other hand nitrous gives you the torque and hp somewhat sooner then turbo does. As you can see both vehicles clearly have their advantages and disadvantages which is why I think the race could go either way. Turbo has more advantages overall than nitrous does, but you're definitely paying a lot more in dollar signs to benefit from those advantages. My theory is this, if you wanna line up both cars, (provided that turbo is puttin down 200whp) if the turbocharged civic has any chance of winning it wont show until the very end of the track. Honestly I can really appreciate both. A lot of people prefer nitrous over turbo especially the V8's because of the advantages that nitrous DOES provide. Theres nothing wrong with nitrous IMO because you're using it for one thing, to win races, not to impress people. I just think that import drivers who are partial to turbo just hate the fact that something so simple (nitrous) can prove to be a winning factor and very effective in drag racing. Its ignorant and sad, but it seems to be a fact.

 
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spraying actually becomes just as expensive. Filling up nos isnt cheap the cheap mans route out in the long run is running a turbo if you spray nos frequently. Also depends on turbo here!!!!
T25, T28 T3? **** all differnt with differnt powerbands!
each does what its suppose to do best...
so many factors....

 
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turbo for sure.. i spray now but you cant fade constant forced induction

 
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Thats right. I was sprayin' a 75 shot on stock internals with a throttle switch, wich meant spraying all gears. This can be done but is not good for your engine on stock internals. Moreover I wasn't really impressed with the 75 shot so I'd have to go with boost.

 
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isnt the general rule of thumb not to spray in 1st or 5th gear?

 
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no...1st gear is ok if you can get traction, but thats usually not possible anywhere unless you're on drags or slicks. It is said however that it is not good to spray in 5th.

 
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oh the irony of what you just said. ROFL

 
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The irony of ignorance can be even funnier.

 
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haha, i was thinking the same thing

 
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well the sprayed car is definently gonna win the 0-60, after that the turbo might catch it.

as for the reliability question.... yes, u do have to make trips to fill the bottle, but dont forget the turbo has alot of up-keep as well

 
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lets take a turbo and a nitrous car and put them both on an open lap track and run a couple laps and see who wins. i woudl take turbo anyday over nitrous. plus, in general, people who turbo their car get all the necessary parts together and fuel systems along with better injectors and engine management, while the average nitrous user just has a bottle. the turbo car would run much better and more reliable. plus, think of the car scene when you go to shows or are at meets if you are into that. what gets more respect from people, a turbo car or a nitrous? obviously, it would be turbo.

 
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People go either way for all various reasons. You have your reasons, others have theirs. Yeah ok, lets all get out on the daytona speedway and lets go for a couple of laps at top end...like thats ever gonna happen. Granted, people who go turbo invest more into such areas like fuel manangement, but mainly because its more detrimental to the life of your engine especially since your engine is under more pressure on a continuous basis as to where a bottle does not put the strain on the engine fulltime. Thats one of the benefits of the bottle right there. You're silly to think that someone like myself cant whoop almost just as much *** on the drag strip, if not more *** with my silly little bottle for thousands less. I'll wait for the respect when the victory comes, or not. Who really wants to invest 6k into the d17 anyway? Trust me, its not like people are gonna bow down and kiss your feet just because you boosted a sohc. People think "oh big whoop, he's only boostin 7psi and I bet he has no internals done." Thats also not just coming from me, I hear that coming from a lot of people including domestics. You're better off doing a swap if you wanna spend that kind of cash. We could go on forever with a debate like this, but there would be no point.