WTF?! Catalyst has 304 HP and 276 ft/lbs of torque?!?!?
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Now, sometimes when you swap the 5 speed it wont work right, then how much would that suck after 1300 lol. Plus I'll get more money when I sell my car since it's an auto. I just want to prove to people that auto's can be fast too. Some of us would like reliability and to be fast. Plus I'm not loking to stomp people like crazy, I just would like to have some boost, because it's sad that I gotta mash the gas petal to get any kind of pickup lol. AUTO'S CAN BE FAST =)
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Originally Posted by TheSmuggler
I'm not loking to stomp people like crazy, I just would like to have some boost
i used to be that way............but boost is addicting. Kinda like a bag of M & M's.........u only want a little, then u taste them and you just want a little more, and little more turns into more and more
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Rep Power: 397 Yeah, well by the time it turns into more I'll be dropping in a full race auto transmission for like 4000, then we'll see who says autos suck LOLOLOL
Very possible, depending on the turbo he's running. Not to mention if he's spent a little bit of time on the dyno and got his timing right. The only reason people aren't making better numbers on the d17 is because not many are taking the time to properly tune their setups. Think about it, if people are hitting 210-230 whp on untuned setups, it's very conceivable that with good tuning and another 5 or so psi boost with a good turbo would yield those types of numbers.
It's all in the combination of components you are running in your setup. My friend made right at 400 whp on only 13 psi. He had a very agressive turbo setup on a gsr block with sleeves, pistons and rods with a stock head plus a 3 angle valve job. The gsr head already flows very well so the numbers from the angles in the valve seats were minimal, maybe helped by 15-20 hp, if that. So if 400 whp on a dohc 1.8 is attainable on 13 psi, 300 whp on a sohc 1.7 is attainable as well. It's all in the combination.
It's all in the combination of components you are running in your setup. My friend made right at 400 whp on only 13 psi. He had a very agressive turbo setup on a gsr block with sleeves, pistons and rods with a stock head plus a 3 angle valve job. The gsr head already flows very well so the numbers from the angles in the valve seats were minimal, maybe helped by 15-20 hp, if that. So if 400 whp on a dohc 1.8 is attainable on 13 psi, 300 whp on a sohc 1.7 is attainable as well. It's all in the combination.
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Originally Posted by Dapper
yea well im going on my second year boosted at 12psi ON stock internals.
so stop talking out ur ***.
u know what assumtion does right.
so stop talking out ur ***.
u know what assumtion does right.
Aren't you the guy the posted this a few days ago?
Originally Posted by Dapper
Originally Posted by Dapper
stop worring about the manifold...
the engine will blow 4 TIMES OVER ... before the manifold does.
and the manifold BLEW UP with NOS cause.. well HELLO... ITS NOS. its a highly explosive gas, hence why we use it, it probally predetonated in the manifold and BOOM.
there is no type of EXPLOSIONS going on in our cars (Turbo'd) that arent Factory Made.
stop worring about the manifold...
the engine will blow 4 TIMES OVER ... before the manifold does.
and the manifold BLEW UP with NOS cause.. well HELLO... ITS NOS. its a highly explosive gas, hence why we use it, it probally predetonated in the manifold and BOOM.
there is no type of EXPLOSIONS going on in our cars (Turbo'd) that arent Factory Made.
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Dapper:
No way that you have been running 12 psi on a completely stock bottom end for 2 years. I call bs on that, unless you've driven 5,000 miles each year. These internals will not hold up to those pressures, period, I don't care what anyone says. It doesn't matter how you are tuned, even with optimal tuning, if you're running over 80% of the stock power output for too long, things will start to break. It's been tested and tried again and again, you aren't fooling anyone.
Do you honestly believe that an engine is any more prone to give with nitrous oxide than it is with any other type of forced induction? That's a very silly assumption and TOTALLY untrue and unfounded. It doesn't matter how you get more air and fuel into the cylinders, the end result will yield the same. In fact, it's probably safer on your engine to run nitrous than turbo boost due to intake temperatures. And what is predetonation? I've never heard that term used before. How do you predetonate in the manifold? The combustion going on is in the cylinders, not in the manifold. Sorry, that doesn't make any sense.
There shouldn't be any EXPLOSIONS going on in your engine. If you have explosions going on, something is terribly wrong. Your a/f mixture is supposed to burn, not explode. Not sure what that last statement means but you are increasing the amount of force and pressure exerted on the rotating assembly than you are with a stock motor. How do you think you get increased hp numbers?
Not trying to flame you, man, but it seems to me like you have some serious misconceptions of performance. You should really do some research and learn a little bit before you pretend to know something in which it's obvious you don't really seem to have a clue.
No way that you have been running 12 psi on a completely stock bottom end for 2 years. I call bs on that, unless you've driven 5,000 miles each year. These internals will not hold up to those pressures, period, I don't care what anyone says. It doesn't matter how you are tuned, even with optimal tuning, if you're running over 80% of the stock power output for too long, things will start to break. It's been tested and tried again and again, you aren't fooling anyone.
Do you honestly believe that an engine is any more prone to give with nitrous oxide than it is with any other type of forced induction? That's a very silly assumption and TOTALLY untrue and unfounded. It doesn't matter how you get more air and fuel into the cylinders, the end result will yield the same. In fact, it's probably safer on your engine to run nitrous than turbo boost due to intake temperatures. And what is predetonation? I've never heard that term used before. How do you predetonate in the manifold? The combustion going on is in the cylinders, not in the manifold. Sorry, that doesn't make any sense.
There shouldn't be any EXPLOSIONS going on in your engine. If you have explosions going on, something is terribly wrong. Your a/f mixture is supposed to burn, not explode. Not sure what that last statement means but you are increasing the amount of force and pressure exerted on the rotating assembly than you are with a stock motor. How do you think you get increased hp numbers?
Not trying to flame you, man, but it seems to me like you have some serious misconceptions of performance. You should really do some research and learn a little bit before you pretend to know something in which it's obvious you don't really seem to have a clue.
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Originally Posted by andyman97
Dapper:
No way that you have been running 12 psi on a completely stock bottom end for 2 years. I call bs on that, unless you've driven 5,000 miles each year. These internals will not hold up to those pressures, period, I don't care what anyone says. It doesn't matter how you are tuned, even with optimal tuning, if you're running over 80% of the stock power output for too long, things will start to break. It's been tested and tried again and again, you aren't fooling anyone.
Do you honestly believe that an engine is any more prone to give with nitrous oxide than it is with any other type of forced induction? That's a very silly assumption and TOTALLY untrue and unfounded. It doesn't matter how you get more air and fuel into the cylinders, the end result will yield the same. In fact, it's probably safer on your engine to run nitrous than turbo boost due to intake temperatures. And what is predetonation? I've never heard that term used before. How do you predetonate in the manifold? The combustion going on is in the cylinders, not in the manifold. Sorry, that doesn't make any sense.
There shouldn't be any EXPLOSIONS going on in your engine. If you have explosions going on, something is terribly wrong. Your a/f mixture is supposed to burn, not explode. Not sure what that last statement means but you are increasing the amount of force and pressure exerted on the rotating assembly than you are with a stock motor. How do you think you get increased hp numbers?
Not trying to flame you, man, but it seems to me like you have some serious misconceptions of performance. You should really do some research and learn a little bit before you pretend to know something in which it's obvious you don't really seem to have a clue.
No way that you have been running 12 psi on a completely stock bottom end for 2 years. I call bs on that, unless you've driven 5,000 miles each year. These internals will not hold up to those pressures, period, I don't care what anyone says. It doesn't matter how you are tuned, even with optimal tuning, if you're running over 80% of the stock power output for too long, things will start to break. It's been tested and tried again and again, you aren't fooling anyone.
Do you honestly believe that an engine is any more prone to give with nitrous oxide than it is with any other type of forced induction? That's a very silly assumption and TOTALLY untrue and unfounded. It doesn't matter how you get more air and fuel into the cylinders, the end result will yield the same. In fact, it's probably safer on your engine to run nitrous than turbo boost due to intake temperatures. And what is predetonation? I've never heard that term used before. How do you predetonate in the manifold? The combustion going on is in the cylinders, not in the manifold. Sorry, that doesn't make any sense.
There shouldn't be any EXPLOSIONS going on in your engine. If you have explosions going on, something is terribly wrong. Your a/f mixture is supposed to burn, not explode. Not sure what that last statement means but you are increasing the amount of force and pressure exerted on the rotating assembly than you are with a stock motor. How do you think you get increased hp numbers?
Not trying to flame you, man, but it seems to me like you have some serious misconceptions of performance. You should really do some research and learn a little bit before you pretend to know something in which it's obvious you don't really seem to have a clue.
yea im sorry.. ive only been boosted longer then you. I have the SECOND.. count them.. 1(catalyst),, then 2- ME-
sadly enough YOU ARE WRONG TO ASSUME anything about our engines. Your track record is far from good. And im not saying thats due to the knowledge in your head, im saying that OBVIOUSLY you DONT know our engines that well... and CALL BS all you want Ill have members of this board POST UP the fact that i keep my psi at that level EVERYDAY, that i ABUSE my car everyday. AND STILL.. MY ENGINE runs strong, and its been exactly how long ive stated.
so please dont assume that I KNOW NOTHING because i dont feel its necc. for me to explain in DETAIL and write paragraphs on the board. nor do i have the time to do so everyday.
lol its not my fault YOUR a P.H.D.
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Dapper:
No way that you have been running 12 psi on a completely stock bottom end for 2 years. I call bs on that, unless you've driven 5,000 miles each year. These internals will not hold up to those pressures, period, I don't care what anyone says. It doesn't matter how you are tuned, even with optimal tuning, if you're running over 80% of the stock power output for too long, things will start to break. It's been tested and tried again and again, you aren't fooling anyone.
Do you honestly believe that an engine is any more prone to give with nitrous oxide than it is with any other type of forced induction? That's a very silly assumption and TOTALLY untrue and unfounded. It doesn't matter how you get more air and fuel into the cylinders, the end result will yield the same. In fact, it's probably safer on your engine to run nitrous than turbo boost due to intake temperatures. And what is predetonation? I've never heard that term used before. How do you predetonate in the manifold? The combustion going on is in the cylinders, not in the manifold. Sorry, that doesn't make any sense.
There shouldn't be any EXPLOSIONS going on in your engine. If you have explosions going on, something is terribly wrong. Your a/f mixture is supposed to burn, not explode. Not sure what that last statement means but you are increasing the amount of force and pressure exerted on the rotating assembly than you are with a stock motor. How do you think you get increased hp numbers?
Not trying to flame you, man, but it seems to me like you have some serious misconceptions of performance. You should really do some research and learn a little bit before you pretend to know something in which it's obvious you don't really seem to have a clue.
No way that you have been running 12 psi on a completely stock bottom end for 2 years. I call bs on that, unless you've driven 5,000 miles each year. These internals will not hold up to those pressures, period, I don't care what anyone says. It doesn't matter how you are tuned, even with optimal tuning, if you're running over 80% of the stock power output for too long, things will start to break. It's been tested and tried again and again, you aren't fooling anyone.
Do you honestly believe that an engine is any more prone to give with nitrous oxide than it is with any other type of forced induction? That's a very silly assumption and TOTALLY untrue and unfounded. It doesn't matter how you get more air and fuel into the cylinders, the end result will yield the same. In fact, it's probably safer on your engine to run nitrous than turbo boost due to intake temperatures. And what is predetonation? I've never heard that term used before. How do you predetonate in the manifold? The combustion going on is in the cylinders, not in the manifold. Sorry, that doesn't make any sense.
There shouldn't be any EXPLOSIONS going on in your engine. If you have explosions going on, something is terribly wrong. Your a/f mixture is supposed to burn, not explode. Not sure what that last statement means but you are increasing the amount of force and pressure exerted on the rotating assembly than you are with a stock motor. How do you think you get increased hp numbers?
Not trying to flame you, man, but it seems to me like you have some serious misconceptions of performance. You should really do some research and learn a little bit before you pretend to know something in which it's obvious you don't really seem to have a clue.
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Originally Posted by Alex1
yes way hes been boosting that much everyday. he drives a lot of miles in one day as well. not to mention the fact that hes like running a quarter mile every stop light and trying to break the speed of sound while on the highway (being sarcastic) and his car is not even tuned. i think the LX D17s can take a beating, maybe its the compression but i dont know for sure. all i know i can vouch for Dapper. i been in the guys car, yes, its a civic!
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Originally Posted by opto_isolator
Do a compression test - hell even a leakdown test, than we'll start talking about how good of shape the engine is....."butt dyno" is relative....
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Originally Posted by Dapper
your crazy.. my engine runs as if it were stock. aside from sf's fuel system running rich at idle, the engine is in perfect shape and runs that way.it also has less then 40k on it.
Originally Posted by Dapper
your crazy.. my engine runs as if it were stock. aside from sf's fuel system running rich at idle, the engine is in perfect shape and runs that way.it also has less then 40k on it.
I call it BS too
PPl like Opto , Andy, cathalist, Dezod and other done their homework and they know what they are talking about.
It doesn't take a scientist to aknlowledge that fact.
I got all my info directly from the source from Honda master mechanics.
It only takes a minute to read your posts to see that you know very little about internal combustion.
Little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
But if you say so it must be true.
I had read all your post and in the ARP bolts you also mention the fact that you had to change your head gasket at least 4 times and use the same OEM bolts everytime, that's more BS and a good indication of your engine malfunctions.
Originally Posted by dapper
ok thats a myth. maybe holds true in the past.
BUT I have changed my headgasket 4 times. and Used the same bolts each time. Last time i did them was 6 months ago. since then i changed to k22's(regapped them also) , and pure methanol (118).... at 13psi the headgasket has been HOLDING STRONG, and its Daily Abused- Not driven. Btw, I changed
my alky injection to turn on at 10psi and up, its just Not needed before then.
... iv been turbo'd for a year and a half now alteast.
BUT I have changed my headgasket 4 times. and Used the same bolts each time. Last time i did them was 6 months ago. since then i changed to k22's(regapped them also) , and pure methanol (118).... at 13psi the headgasket has been HOLDING STRONG, and its Daily Abused- Not driven. Btw, I changed
my alky injection to turn on at 10psi and up, its just Not needed before then.
... iv been turbo'd for a year and a half now alteast.
Not flaming but I have to agree with everyone else.
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Rep Power: 413 1. This thread is done. I was leaving it open so you guys could just chat a little and of course it turned into an argument....
2. Dapper? Oh thats right, most of you know him as Osoboosted. He was gone before, and he'll be gone again....
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