K20 Swap or Turbo on D17????????????
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Originally posted by NoBottleJustThrottle
You cant really say one is better than the other because of how much money you have spent. Its how well the car performs.
You cant really say one is better than the other because of how much money you have spent. Its how well the car performs.
its like i said before: "cheap parts equal expensive repairs"
Dont get me wrong and think that im sayin the SF turbokit is cheap, im just saying in general. Good example is when i bought the cheaper NEX coilovers before my TEIN's. I had almost constant problems. And it did add up to a lot in camber allignments, and shop time to find out what was wrong. Then i got my TEINs, never had one problem.
Dont get me wrong and think that im sayin the SF turbokit is cheap, im just saying in general. Good example is when i bought the cheaper NEX coilovers before my TEIN's. I had almost constant problems. And it did add up to a lot in camber allignments, and shop time to find out what was wrong. Then i got my TEINs, never had one problem.
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Rep Power: 0 personally, i just love boost so i would go with the boost, most of my friends cars, infact all but one are all boosted, and the sound of your car blowing off, is just wow, love it everytime, but the d17 im new with it, so im not sure, i don't know exactly every detail about it yet....so my question is if boosted whats a safe amount to boost to be a daily driven car..with stock internals? and what time of quartermile times woudl that be capable of hitting
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Rep Power: 0 To all you K20 swappers, doesn't Jackson Racing make a SC kit to go with it? Personally, this would be ideal for my parameters: Reliable, useable, and instant powa. Wouldn't this be more durable than a turbo kit as far as engine wear goes? Why is going supercharged with K Series overlooked? Is it because going turbo has more potential or a better value? I like superchargers, but I guess they don't have the possibilty of obscene stupid power like turbos at comparable boost.
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Originally posted by Hawk
The way i look at it, and looked at it when i decided to swap is:
Turboing a non-turbo motor is never a reliable thing. Sure once the motor is completly built its safe, but by the time its built you'll have spent as much as you would have to do a swap. And at 7-8 psi people are making just over 200whp. To run that kinda boost theres gonna be some internal work needed to run it daily. I can get 200+whp out my my k20 with simple bolt-on's and i garantee it'll be a more reliable motor.
Basically what it boiled down to for me is start at 111whp or start at 172whp? Sure it seems expensive in the beging, but to keep up with a worked k20 you're gonna need alot of work to that turbo'd d17. And on the cost btw, i have put about $7,800 into my car.
And you can't even compare the turbo'd car to the stock k20 swap...because it's stock.
If you want cheap power get nitrous, in the import world real performance is not cheap...bottom line.
The way i look at it, and looked at it when i decided to swap is:
Turboing a non-turbo motor is never a reliable thing. Sure once the motor is completly built its safe, but by the time its built you'll have spent as much as you would have to do a swap. And at 7-8 psi people are making just over 200whp. To run that kinda boost theres gonna be some internal work needed to run it daily. I can get 200+whp out my my k20 with simple bolt-on's and i garantee it'll be a more reliable motor.
Basically what it boiled down to for me is start at 111whp or start at 172whp? Sure it seems expensive in the beging, but to keep up with a worked k20 you're gonna need alot of work to that turbo'd d17. And on the cost btw, i have put about $7,800 into my car.
And you can't even compare the turbo'd car to the stock k20 swap...because it's stock.
If you want cheap power get nitrous, in the import world real performance is not cheap...bottom line.
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by carbonrevo
However I would really like to run a turbo on D17 after I swap my type s w/full racing header, exhuast and intake see how fast you guys can run.....
However I would really like to run a turbo on D17 after I swap my type s w/full racing header, exhuast and intake see how fast you guys can run.....
I am on stock internals. So I will run you w/ 8lbs of boost.. I think the torque will win out. That is if I can keep traction. I am loosing tractions up to third and wheel hop is a biatch also.
You would be shocked how hard it pulled at 12psi after some tuning.
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Rep Power: 327 honestly, I'm getting worried about mine as u guys have seen from other posts...
If i have to rip the engine apart it's going back to stock (engine wise) and I'll throw in a built K20
If i have to rip the engine apart it's going back to stock (engine wise) and I'll throw in a built K20
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by StLVtec
Traction and wheel hop for or swapped cars are a problem also buddy. We dont just launch of the lines
Traction and wheel hop for or swapped cars are a problem also buddy. We dont just launch of the lines
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Rep Power: 0 As much as I hate to reference this magazine and I am sure everyone knows about it but Ill double check. Super Street is following Skunk2's SI and the k24/20 mate is looking mighty good. Skunk2 is also using this is their new all motor RSX. Even the FI racing world is starting to use the combo. Gary Gardella and other nasty draggers are starting to show B series engines how out dated they are. As far as FI goes, I'm an all motor type of guy mostly because I can't run 9psi for 200k miles. I guess I am a bit bias towards swapping because the D17 can't get me very far with all motor.
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Rep Power: 344 Originally posted by 01EXplain
K20 swaps have a LSD, or limited slip differential, so the power hits the pavement, not spinning the tires like the open differential on a turbo or juiced D17.
K20 swaps have a LSD, or limited slip differential, so the power hits the pavement, not spinning the tires like the open differential on a turbo or juiced D17.
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Rep Power: 0 I don't know to much about either the engine swap or the turbo but just from reading these posts it seems to me that what everyone can agree on is that the D17 turbo won't last longer that a year if your lucky if it's a daily driver, but a k20 swap type r or s will be a much safer, cheaper, and reliable car I understand that a swap costs more money but from the looks of it not in the long run. I will save and wait on a swap.
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Rep Power: 0 i dunno i think it should last more than a year... i mean more than a year without braking down i don't know... but yea i think in the long run the the type r or type s swap is best... i mean the RSX is almost exactly like our civics if you've ever been on the inside of one and they're about the same size... so it's like turning your civic into a RSX basically except it's lighter and will be a lot faster and so reliability shouldn't be a big problem unless you do something in the swap process... and like i said before you can always safe up for a turbo after you do the swap
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Rep Power: 0 is the K20A swap... the engine from the integra type R illegal? i know the SR20DET swap is illegal so does the same apply to the K20A? the K20A2 shouldn't be since the RSX type S is made the US but the integra type R is not... (i mean the DC5 integra type R)
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by carbonrevo
too much trouble too much trouble either swap or install turbo. With money to swap the car, I rather freakin buy a type s instead. This is ridiculous.
too much trouble too much trouble either swap or install turbo. With money to swap the car, I rather freakin buy a type s instead. This is ridiculous.
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Rep Power: 0 i'm sure after a few years the price for k-series motors will go down to as cheap as the b-series motors... i think one advantage of swapping a motor though is that hasport has a mount for the k20 but don't you have to make a custum turbo kit if you want turbo?
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Rep Power: 0 hell y eah i agree. i need a k20 !!!! anyone wnat to donate one???..hahahaa everytime a rsx goes down......a 2k1 civic is reborn. i was also considering the crv engine.
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Rep Power: 344 Originally posted by carbonrevo
too much trouble too much trouble either swap or install turbo. With money to swap the car, I rather freakin buy a type s instead. This is ridiculous.
too much trouble too much trouble either swap or install turbo. With money to swap the car, I rather freakin buy a type s instead. This is ridiculous.
I did my swap for $7800 bucks....
$7800 > $12,000
