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has anybody here sleeve our blocks, im on a mission for a xmas present from the parents, mom asked today what i "wanted" for xmas. that was mistake number 1. she should have asked something like this "what do u NEED" but luckily she asked the "want", and i told her i wanted the block sleeved and my crower rods put in, then the worst question was "how much that cost" i told her like 2k, she kinda cringed but didnt say no, she was like u need something to put under the tree, i was like u can wrap an envelope with a blank check to the car shop and put it in my stocking....so we will see what happens...im not betting on it but does anyone have it done yet

 
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ROFLMAO!!! Thats awesome man!! Tell your mom to put a blank check under there for me too. That way I can get my vic boosted. Good luck bro.

 
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my block is in the process at the moment at Slowboy Racing....Mike Huml, owner of the shop is hoping to have it ready for me in a few more weeks. ill definately have pics when everything is complete including Crower Rods and Custom Wiesco 8.8:1 pistons

 
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2K!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Im lucky enough to get 50.

 
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i hear that...my whole engine build is costing me over 4500...sleeving alone is only about 750 of that however

 
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what kind of sleeves are u using pdchasinr6

 
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Slowboy has their own machine shop that can virtually fabricate ANYTHING so its their own design pretty much. its based on Darton sleeves however if i recall correctly.

 
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DH is gonna sleeve and do my block for me in spring i hope.. mine will hold TONS of boost... not that i ever plan on going above 18-20psi.....

 
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Since we are on the topic of high boost, what are you going to go about fuel Todd? I know that the SF fuel kit will work up to 12psi, but what after that? Is it as simple as just upgrading fuel injectors? And then being able to turn up the boost more? I know you will have to get better pistons and rods, but what about the turbo? Will the SF T3 go that high? And do you think you will even need to sleeve the block? Cause I know the the K20 block can hold 20psi fine. Do you think that our blocks could hold say 15 psi fine? Causes thats my goal. Thats what I want. Upgrade pistons and rods and be able to boost 15 psi. I mean hell, C2i0v0i1c's vic just has JE pistons and he was up to 13 psi. Thoughts?

 
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greddy emanage looks to be the way im gonna f with fuel probs... but im gonna see what sf's kit will do first.. i think i should be able to run more boost on stock motor if wanted... but honestly, im shooting for 20-25psi on a FULLY built motor and fuel system... WITHOUT going return fuel system... im gonna port my head in the spring, and still run 9psi but probly use a block gaurd... 9psi with ported head is like 14psi or so i figure without ported head, maybe more, so we'll see... noones really killed it.. i remember someone hit 18psi by accident, but with just fuel kit, no alcohol injection, and they just blew the head gasket... its up to you man.. 15psi is fun to say, but what if im faster at 9psi? hehehe

 
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LOL thats true. I'm having a hard time though deciding what I'm going to do.

 
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all said and done if u have a fully built motor and dont run damn near 30psi, i hope thats bc the turbo itself cant push any more.... otherwise.....

 
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have fun at 18-20 psi with an inline pump and basically an fmu. Your engine will be able to handle lots of boost, but you will not have enough fuel for the extra power and your engine will go bye. I hope your planning on return setup and 550cc injectors for 20 psi and lots of tuning, because you will need it.

 
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i'm just gonna get DH pistons and rods, set it at 12psi and call it a day.... or i may PnP, regrind cam and pulley as well hehe

 
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He does not have to do a return setup. Cybernation Motor Sports builds K20s all day. None of them have a return setup. Cybernations uses there own fuel system called Black Magic. And with it they have no problem running over 20psi. Hell look at DC5@EM2's vic. Hes got swap plus boost and he's running 25 psi. No return setup. You do not need to go that route to make big power.

 
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yes ur right now find a d17 thats it on or its been tried on, my duty cycle is running around 50%+ and i dont think stock injectors can flow that if so that would be their max. last time i checked u dont want to run injectors at their max, if ur upping the FP that much i guess ur fuel has to be flowing perfect so that u use it all up otherwise where is going to go, i am getting 22mpg right now, at least that what i got this weekend it was on 94 octane, but that still good for me and my turbo

 
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^^^^^^^True. I have not seen a boosted D17 with Cybernations setup, but I'm sure it would work the same. I'm curious on to how well it would work though. I don't see a reason why with Cybernations Black Magic and upgraded injectors it wouldn't work just fine. But then again, no one that I know of or see has used the Black Magic on a D17. I might have to look into it.

 
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it very well may work, never seen one or heard of one either, tim has an opinion on it, but then again tim has an opinion of everything he does and doesnt like, but as for it IMO i wouldnt want that (RETURN/RETURNLESS) being my limiting factor in my turbo setup

 
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Heres a little info I found out about the Black Magic.

The Black Magic ELF is piggy back fuel controller system for Honda/Acura. The Black Magic ELF is Cybernation's own piggyback system designed out of necessity by the RSX. When we first installed a turbo kit on the RSX we were not able to properly tune the car with any of current piggyback systems on the market. We were essentially forced to design something that could properly tune the RSX or scrap the turbo project. Hence the Black Magic was born.

Simply put the Black Magic aids the stock computers ability to deliver the needed higher volume of fuel that is need under forced induction. It allows the ability to run 550cc or higher injectors and still idle perfectly and not waste fuel while cursing. It then unleashes the injectors under boost delivering the needed extra fuel. It also removes about 6 check engine lights that would normally shutdown the RSX or ODB II cars when you try to boost them. It also acts as a smart map and will not allow the stock computer to see boost up to 60psi.
The Black Magic works very well with an air flow converter and is ompatible with APEXI, Fields, Buddy Club computer or any such Air flow converters.

I know it doesn't help you since you have a return setup, but other people might be intrested. Plus I also read that it works with all OBD I and OBD II ECUs.

 
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damn man.. cant evenbelieve your parents would buy you a sleeeved blck.. ,my mom wouldnt buy me a tire pressure gauge... must be nice to have money.. but anyways.. where exactly do you plan to go with 30psi?? and how is it gonna get to the grond? also, you shouldnt forget that it isnt the psi that makes power, its the tuning.. some people are making more power on 8-9psi than you on 11.. so we'll see awhats up... my returnless fuel system isnt gonna hinder me at all.. PLENTY of cars make nice power with returnless.. with 18-20 psi im talking roughly 400hp here due to the rest of the motor and how it will be tuned out..

 
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tuning ive got months of tuning, the car drives and sound like stock, we have people calling the shop asking how we did certain things, and i have seen no dynos on here of ne one making more than 215 on 8-9psi, i dont have money either.

 
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SF kit made 185hp to the wheels on 5-6 psi (im sure it was 5 but i dont wanna be wrong) with stock exhaust and stock plugs.. dyno was on here a while back.. 1 psi = 10hp usually... so 8-9psi = 215-225hp with big restrictions ... and how can you not have money if you r mom would sleeve your block for xmas? my mom never dropped more than $50 on me for xmas... not making fun of you, just must be nice... and the sf run was with NO tuning... right out of the box, with basic kit, no upgrades... with real exhaust, IK22s, and tuning and upgrades.. who knows how much power?

 
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months of tuning?? that doesnt sound good... shouldve been tuned in a day at the most...

 
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im not going to argue with you, for one ur such a SF fan that nothing can get into ur way and thats fine im not going to try and sell u on something else, the HP turbo setup made 185 at 5 so they say as far as a SF dyno please show me bc al the time i see people asking for it and i never see one, hey cat lets see a dyno with the head by itself, didnt see it, now the car is put back together with turbo....no if we use ur math formula here 1psi=10hp usually, 11psi =110hp added to the say 110-115 the ex motor might have to the wheels that =220-225, so my 215 is pretty damn right, i dont have any money my parents might have some, i have 500 bucks and thats all i have car payments and xmas presents to buy for tons of people, i dont even know if this is going to happen, and months of tuning yes, the emange is a complicated box, and for someone to self teach themselves bc greddy dont know anything about that blue box as far as our car is concerned. one day of tuning if u come down here ill erase my emanage and u tune it and have it running like it is, ill pay u the 100 bucks an hour my shop charges, and ill pay u for all the time that he has put into it, a month thats close to a good 30 hours if u only work 1 hour a day times 100 thats 3k, since ur the authorized greddy tuner for our cars, dont want to be mean bc i dont put down any shops nor SF, well i do put down one from cincy bc they screwed me on some things but thats another story, but my shop has had a car on the cover of SCC, the shop hatch has a sponsorship from RPS. now when u and or whoever gets into a magazine and gets sponsors then u can tell my shop it should only take one day.

 
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and actually the more tuning u do, the better!

 
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i believe the SF dyno is in catalysrts my rides pics... not saying SF is best... it IS the best KIT made.. but you hvae TONS of money in your car man, if i remember, your at like 11k in motor alone.. and the SF was on a DX/LX motor.. i believe your vtec EX now... correwct me if im wrong.. so thatss 10 more WHP right there.. and i still have yet to see a track time for you... not talking trash.. i just think youve over spent for what youve recieved.. and your goals while attainable dont make sense for the street... and ive seen the emanage tuned inn 2-3 hours total time.. oN anything from an rsx to a obd0 integra.. not saYING YOURE SHOP SUX, JUST SAYING DAMN.. 3K WORTH OF TUNING FOR THAT POWER? AND SAYING YOU HAVE NO MMONEY ONCE YOU DROP 11K INTO YOUR MOTOR PLUS 3K FOR TUNING IS rediculous...

 
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thats why he has no money..

 
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the tuning was free, and uve seen it on a rsx and so have i and uve seen it on everything from an obd0 bc thats what its made for, there are no settings and no base maps for our car, greddy says it wont work and no one ne where can help the shop i go to bc no one has done it, and for a shop who has never touched a car like ours, to go in tear it apart rebuild it, take the emanage and make it work and figure out the fuel maps on his own and have it running like i just bought it from the dealer, and actually the 3k worth of tuning was after the 215whp, the 215whp was on 2 hours of tuning

 
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no dynos for catalyst i looked they are all time slips

 
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pm cat.. he has the dyno... im just too damn busy of a person to be on here for more than like 5 minutes a day.... i still would LOVE to see time slips for anything besides stafford kits