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Well after much distress, I have swapped out my blown d17 with a slightly used d17. Now is time for the buildup.

I will be putting in benson sleeves (heard bad things about gold eagles sinking.)
then comes cp pistons and crower rods. I plan to convert to return fuel setup, p n p head, new cam, valves, springs, retainers, standalone ems and wideband o2.

I will hit 11's with this setup on a d17a1 non vtec engine next summer and I can't wait. I'll be pulling the engine apart this weekend probably and get the block out for sleeves within the next month. For christmas I'll get pistons and rods. Then after new years I plan to get the headwork done and pick up everything else. Should make for alot of work but alot of fun when I turn everyone's heads running 11's

 
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It takes alot of power to hit 11s man. The owner of one of the shops around my area has a EK hatch with a built B18C5 running 30 psi and make 549whp. He his 11.49 in the 1/4. Plus is car is hella light.

What about axels? Who are you going through to get different axels. What about motor mounts? Just wondering.

 
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Yeah well a friend of mine was on 18 psi at 6k ft on his gs-r. All he has is pistons and he ran a 12.1 with oem axles, mounts, etc. It's all about the tuning.

 
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dude....youre deff gonna need new axles...as soon as you step on it those stock civic axles are gonna snap in half

 
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funny stuff

 
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And you know this because you've broken so many axles from all of the power your civic makes, I take it?

Seriously, if you don't know what you're talking about, please don't reply.

 
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Why are you being such an *******? He is telling you the truth. I mean after you are making all of that mad power how the hell do you expect to get down the track? You are going to have to have slicks. Period. And with making that kind of power to get into the 11s, you will need stronger axels? What about you suspension? What about your braking? Or is this going to be a strip car only? What about safety? Roll cage? You are sitting here talking like getting into the 11s is a walk in the park. People, including me, are going to have question about this and that. There is no reason for you to get cocky just because someone said you will need this or that. I mean thats not the first time I've seen you be a complete *******.

 
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Ok, don't pretend like you know me or anything about me. The only time I post anything offensive to anyone is after they've shown their complete lack of knowledge. As far as your post goes, I didn't think I was being rude at all. You asked a question and I answered it, not rudely at all.

When someone tells me that "as soon as you step on it those stock civic axles are gonna snap in half," it irritates me because that's a ridiculous statement. That's the one thing I can't stand about this site. People open their mouths, say stupid **** and get **** in return. Then everyone else wants to get all upset because "that's not nice."

I am not here to be nice to everyone. If I open my mouth and say something untrue, flame me for it, I deserve it and I'll definitely think twice before I talk about something I'm not sure of again.

Questions are one thing, telling me I need this, I need that, this is going to happen, that's going to happen, when you don't know, don't tell me. Make a suggestion or ask a quesiton. If that's the case, I'll answer to the best of my ability and be nice about it and if I don't know, I won't say that I do. Just think about that.

 
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Fine I can respect that. I guess that you will be the first one to find the limit to our stock axels though. Any other mods you will be doing to go along with the motor build? Where are you getting the head work done at? DHracing? Just wondering.

 
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Roll cage will come shortly after I get kicked out of the track, I'm sure
As far as headwork, I have a local machine guy that does full engine builds and headwork. He does amazing work and I really trust him, hell, he even lets me have parts shipped to his shop for the discounted shipping rate without charging me.
As far as getting axles goes, I'm sure eventually someone will have to make some. As of right now, I haven't researched it enough to know whether there are some out there or not, my bet is that there aren't.
So just like my pistons, rods and sleeves, I'd bet that would be a custom job as well.
And I won't need slicks to hit 11's, I already know it. I will strip my car to the bare essentials and ride on drag radials the first time out. Even if I do happen break an axle, I'll have back ups with me at the track just in case.
I haven't really researched every minute detail to the "t" just yet but it will come. I have plenty of time.
Suspension and brakes....I have springs with the rest stock suspension. I plan to pick up a neuspeed front X brace for the subframe and a type-R rear sway bar. That should do just fine. As far as brakes, I'm keepin em stock.

 
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YA! who cares about stopping anyway right!!?

 
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Hey andy where are you getting your return setup done at??? Let me know how it works I've been looking into doing that as well...

 
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A friend of mine has done many a return setup on neons so we'll be running a stainless fuel line to the tank. As far as mounting a return line, I'll be having my machinist putting the fitting onto my spare fuel rail.

 
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WTF? You don't have to have 13" rotors with a big brake kit to be able to stop

 
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not including the used motor, how much is all this gonna cost you? early next year i hope to have rods and pistons, after that PnP head and a cam. i hope to hit low-mid 13's with my AT while keeping it a daily driver. are you gonna keep yours a daily driver?

 
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The way you break axels is to hook up. If you run on slicks, i bet you wont get more than a few high 12 sec passes before you break them. Just remember, these arent GSR axels. They are not as strong as the B16, GRS axels. Also the tranny, you will have to do something about that. Because the axels will go right before the tranny does. So if you get some good axels, the tranny will go shortly thereafter.

Im just trying to make sure you get everything you need, because i know how much you love having your car down because of stupid mistakes.

 
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Andy, you need to find someone that makes custom drag axels. That would help when your tires hook and the axels are trying to make them turn. What octane are you planning on running? Are you going 91/93 or race?

 
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I was going to post about the EMS - where do you plan on buying it? I don't know if its out yet.....But if you go that route, best wishes! That is the best route to go, EMS, but its so pricey (and not available yet, as far as I know).....

 
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i told u it was blown..cat was right about the axels/tranny, the ek hatch jodster is talkin about has upgraded axels, well the tranny was next and it did go, shredded the teeth off 4th gear. if i recall its not as simple as tapping a fitting into the rail and running a return line

 
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^^^Is that supposed to mean that I'm contradicting myself? What exactly are you trying to say here? The motor with a blown piston is the one I am building up. I didn't want to wait 3 weeks for pistons and rods, plus it's winter anyways. I will be reusing this motor.

Haven't done it yet. Don't know all the details. I haven't researched every minor detail to the "t" yet.

I do plan to get a new clutch as well. Cat, we'll find out just how strong our axles are.

 
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I dunno man.... you need a lot of power to hit that mark. It seems to me things are likely to break.

 
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andy, i am behind you man, i know that you will try and do what it takes as long as the money is there. if it breaks, the worst you have to do is fix it. 11's is not impossible. andy has the money and is willing to spend it. why dont everyone else help him to find what yall are saying that he is going to need. maybe that will get him to the 11's quicker and put to shame everyone who said that our cars will never be fast, when this site originated

 
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WOW>.. mid-low 13s with an auto.. that would be tight.. LOTS of work to make honda autpo trans hold up to muid 14s usually... but yeah,,,, 11s are WAY possible.. and if that guy makes taht much power ina GSR and runs mid 11s.. i think he needs better way to get it to the graound, driver source, or maybe hes full of crap about hp... should be low low 11s.. maybe high 10s.. in a hatch especially... unless its full show as well...i have a goal of 11.5 with the 19s on the front.. i know it will mean new axles... but they can be custom made...

 
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oooo thats right...im a complete idiot to think stock civic axles cant hold that kind of power..what was i thinkin

 
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deng dude you are definately gonna need one of them race trannies, possibly the whole unit, not just a new clutch. i hear they run about 1500, my dad's friend is in the business.

im not sure about this one, but stock honda transmissions (even with new, aftermarket flywheel, clutch) will break or blow if you have enuf power to go under 12 sec.... correct me if im wrong?

 
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so let me get this straight....your gonna bump compression, sleeve it and do some headwork and hit 11's? thats gotta be the funniest thing i have ever heard. i build motors all day, everyday for a living, and lets get realistic, 11's are no joke. i live down in miami, know the guys at SFP who have a 700 WHP 99 SI and run 11's consistant... this is a full street trim RACE car. the only reason the car isnt faster is because of traction issues, and the car ALWAYS breaks something.

our race car at work is a b20/vtec in a fully gutted eg which weighs in at approximately 1800-1900 pounds, and we want to guess the car is in the low 12's. now you say your just gonna slap a setup together and hit 11's on drag radials? on a completely stock drive train? lets get realistic here buddy. racing on paper and and racing down the 1320 are two different things. do you have any times on your car what so ever? or are you just racing on paper?.....please, elaborate on your setup, cause as of right now, im just rolling on the floor laughing at this thread.

im sorry about the long post, i just found out about this forum through my roommate who was bored and was looking into boosting his Ex. i read through this thread and couldnt help but chime in....im done.....for now

 
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Hey tb, dave hickman went 9's with a budget when everyone said he couldnt. He was a half second, HALF SECOND faster than everyone else for 6 MONTHS! I have learned to not cut people down like that because people surprise you very often.

I know this because i am one of Dave's friends. I dont just "know" dave, hell i go to his house and watch movies. He isnt just an acquaintence. And i know for a fact that Dave had a 12 second full interior crx, with a ZC with stock pistons and rods, only head work. No turbo, no supercharger, no nitrous. And runs on pump gas. I was surprised as hell to see it go that fast, but it did. Thats when i decided that people will surprise you, so at least give them a chance.

 
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im not saying it CANT be done. thats why i asked him to elaborate a little more on his set up. 7th gen civics arent the lightest cars in the world. your comparing a kiwi (crx) to a watermelon (7th gen civic). when it comes to honda's weight is your biggest enemy, trust me, i know...my prelude puts down double the horsepower our shop race car puts down, and out of the hole, that Eg will woop my ***. on the highway is a whole nother ballpark. if andy will elaborate a little more on his setup, mayeb i will see where he is coming from, but as of right now, the few questions hes been asked, hes said he doesnt know. sounds like a paper racer to me so far.

 
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im just trying to give him a chance. Not tryin to yell at ya or anything.

btw, what you have done to your prelude?

We had one we did make 700 whp. It waS too much for the guy, so we de-tuned it to 450. But man, that thing was a beast.