Engine swap....not very necessary
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Engine swap....not very necessary
It would be amazing to have an RSX-S engine put in my car!! O man!
But....that's 7000 dollars out of my pocket!
Sure...you get 63 to 87 extra horsepower (depends on model of civic)...then you can mod it out and get a hell of a lot more hp...
BUT...is it really worth the swap? You could sell your 7th generation civic and get 10,000 bucks at LEAST...then put that 7,000 dollars you have laying around
and put that into a FULL car?
I am just wondering why people put so much money/effort into a swap...when you could get a whole new car that looks hotter...
What is better about the swap than the car?
I have an LX...but I'm just wondering if a swap down the road is really worth it...
Your comments please...don't yell at me please haha
But....that's 7000 dollars out of my pocket!
Sure...you get 63 to 87 extra horsepower (depends on model of civic)...then you can mod it out and get a hell of a lot more hp...
BUT...is it really worth the swap? You could sell your 7th generation civic and get 10,000 bucks at LEAST...then put that 7,000 dollars you have laying around
and put that into a FULL car? I am just wondering why people put so much money/effort into a swap...when you could get a whole new car that looks hotter...
What is better about the swap than the car?
I have an LX...but I'm just wondering if a swap down the road is really worth it...
Your comments please...don't yell at me please haha
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Rep Power: 312 Just turbo it. You will be happier because it is only a days worth of work to install it. It is reliable, and it help me out with paying my bills
Seriously, the turbo is a much more realistic performance part for the average person. And you can install it yourself.
Seriously, the turbo is a much more realistic performance part for the average person. And you can install it yourself.
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People say things like "Why not just get a new car... etc etc". I said it before too. But the fact is that there are three types of people:
1. In it for the chicks: Buys a nice looking car
2. In it for the automobile itself: Buys a more powerful car or nice looking car, leaves it at that
3. In it for the hobby: Uses what they have, builds it up, makes it their own. Buys a new car, does it again.
Maybe it's a little philosophical to say, and I don't want to get off on a rant here (thanks Dennis Miller), but you can go out and buy a Subaru WRX and it would be fast. But it would still be a WRX, nothing more. Now, you can swap a K20 into a 7thgen, or a turbo into a 7thgen even, and essentially, it's different from 95% of the 7thgens on the road. It's no longer just a Honda Civic. It's someones hobby, it's someone's work. And after you did that and you spend $25000 to buy a Civic (or any car) and hook it up, it's probably going to be faster than that WRX, but also, like I said before, it's not just a Honda Civic anymore, unlike that WRX that is still a WRX. Make sense?
1. In it for the chicks: Buys a nice looking car
2. In it for the automobile itself: Buys a more powerful car or nice looking car, leaves it at that
3. In it for the hobby: Uses what they have, builds it up, makes it their own. Buys a new car, does it again.
Maybe it's a little philosophical to say, and I don't want to get off on a rant here (thanks Dennis Miller), but you can go out and buy a Subaru WRX and it would be fast. But it would still be a WRX, nothing more. Now, you can swap a K20 into a 7thgen, or a turbo into a 7thgen even, and essentially, it's different from 95% of the 7thgens on the road. It's no longer just a Honda Civic. It's someones hobby, it's someone's work. And after you did that and you spend $25000 to buy a Civic (or any car) and hook it up, it's probably going to be faster than that WRX, but also, like I said before, it's not just a Honda Civic anymore, unlike that WRX that is still a WRX. Make sense?
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But....that's 7000 dollars out of my pocket!
But....that's 7000 dollars out of my pocket!
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Rep Power: 0 So EM2Guy your car gets more chicks now cuz you got a swap 
, If that's your car it looks hot. As for the topic then why don't you just sell your civic buy a vga(accidented/stripped/stolen) eg hatch swap a h22 and turbo it work internals for the price that you could sell your 7thgen for, everyone has different taste either style, performance or just the way they think of things i.e. altezzas? j.k.
, If that's your car it looks hot. As for the topic then why don't you just sell your civic buy a vga(accidented/stripped/stolen) eg hatch swap a h22 and turbo it work internals for the price that you could sell your 7thgen for, everyone has different taste either style, performance or just the way they think of things i.e. altezzas? j.k. Thread Starter
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Rep Power: 0 yea...so economically the swap doesn't seem logical
but if you want a badass civic then go w/ the swap...
lol you guys didn't really give me another point of view to look at it from damnit
actually i compared weights of the cars.....and they are pretty much about the same
i thought the civic would be lighter..but i was wrong..but if it turned out that it was a lot lighter..the swap would be double sweet lol
o yea...also..ive only done simple things for working on my car...like putting an intake on and changing the oil...sound system doesn't really count on this subject...but the swap seems like a professional is needed for the job..and someone w/o a lot of experience can totally screw things up..am i right? (although it would be a lot of fun to do the swap myself)
but if you want a badass civic then go w/ the swap...
lol you guys didn't really give me another point of view to look at it from damnit
actually i compared weights of the cars.....and they are pretty much about the same
i thought the civic would be lighter..but i was wrong..but if it turned out that it was a lot lighter..the swap would be double sweet lol
o yea...also..ive only done simple things for working on my car...like putting an intake on and changing the oil...sound system doesn't really count on this subject...but the swap seems like a professional is needed for the job..and someone w/o a lot of experience can totally screw things up..am i right? (although it would be a lot of fun to do the swap myself)
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Rep Power: 374 Why do a swap? To be different, thats why. Yeah you could go and buy a RSX-S, but imagine pulling up next to one and being able to leave him sitting on the line with the O-face( 
) thinking WTF? I just got my *** handed to me by a civic. Thats a reason why people do the swap. Because its unexpected. But the reason it is so expensive is due to it still being a new swap. Give it a few years and the price will drop like crazy. I mean its not that common of a swap so that why it cost so much. And those that have it, can sit back and ooooooo and ahhhhhhh over what they have that very little people do have.
Or you can go the other route, which a lot of people are doing, and boost the D17. That way you can keep up with and even beat the RSX-S and be able to say you still have a D17.
Or you could do a swap, but look at the K24 motor. Do a frankenstien motor swap. That would be the best way to go if you plan of staying N/A. But in the end it all depends on what you want to do. Good luck!
) thinking WTF? I just got my *** handed to me by a civic. Thats a reason why people do the swap. Because its unexpected. But the reason it is so expensive is due to it still being a new swap. Give it a few years and the price will drop like crazy. I mean its not that common of a swap so that why it cost so much. And those that have it, can sit back and ooooooo and ahhhhhhh over what they have that very little people do have. Or you can go the other route, which a lot of people are doing, and boost the D17. That way you can keep up with and even beat the RSX-S and be able to say you still have a D17.
Or you could do a swap, but look at the K24 motor. Do a frankenstien motor swap. That would be the best way to go if you plan of staying N/A. But in the end it all depends on what you want to do. Good luck!
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if u have the money and want enormous amounts of power then go with the swap. With a D17 u are only starting out with (let's just say) 120 hp. If u go with internals, some port work and a few bolt ons, u may get about 150 hp. If u go turbo then u will end up with about 180-190 hp. Then ur motor is "maxed" unless u wanna bore it and throw in some nitrous. If u go with the swap, then u are starting out with approximately 220 hp and then if u wanna boost it and throw in some internals with port work, u will be knockin on 300 hp. But like i said, u can do anything with MONEY !!!!
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i heard about the k24 frankenstein swap in a super street magazine
it's a CRV engine w/ a k20a2 head right?
do you know how much power that would come out to?
ahhh soo many possibilities lol:
k20a
k20a2
k24
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i heard about the k24 frankenstein swap in a super street magazine
it's a CRV engine w/ a k20a2 head right?
do you know how much power that would come out to?
ahhh soo many possibilities lol:
k20a
k20a2
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Rep Power: 607 i dont' think that u would get anymore hp out of the k24, if u do it would prolly be minimal, but i know that u would get more torque......but idk how much.
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Rep Power: 374 The K24 motor makes a nice amount of power and response to mods better. A K24 block with the RSX-S head is what the TSX motor is. It comes with 200hp and 166tq. Just to give you an idea, the K24 motor with I/H/E and a test pipe makes 170whp and 150 wtq. And thats with the stock K24 head. The motor will make alot more power with the K20A2 head on it that the K20A2 period. IMO
A swap is great till you get rear ended. lol.
I did it for the looks. Not just for the looks when i popped my hood (which was an awsome feeling), but the looks of unsuspecting drivers. I raced an EVO 8 in my swap car, and although i got very lucky, i beat him. You should of seen the look not only on his face, but on everyone elses face that saw it happen. Dusting Preludes, Civic Si's, GSR's, on the freeway was awsome too. Sure you can do it in a turbo car...but beating those types of cars NA is far better i think.
Oh, and to the person who bought the K20A motor for under 3 grand, and thinks its not gonna cost him much more to have it running...prepare to be suprised. Take it from someone who did the swap. I was in the same boat, i got the motor with what i thought was gonna be everything...i did the install with my good friend in my garage...the swap ended up costing close to 7 grand. There are gonna be problems, and lots of missing parts, etc.
I did it for the looks. Not just for the looks when i popped my hood (which was an awsome feeling), but the looks of unsuspecting drivers. I raced an EVO 8 in my swap car, and although i got very lucky, i beat him. You should of seen the look not only on his face, but on everyone elses face that saw it happen. Dusting Preludes, Civic Si's, GSR's, on the freeway was awsome too. Sure you can do it in a turbo car...but beating those types of cars NA is far better i think.
Oh, and to the person who bought the K20A motor for under 3 grand, and thinks its not gonna cost him much more to have it running...prepare to be suprised. Take it from someone who did the swap. I was in the same boat, i got the motor with what i thought was gonna be everything...i did the install with my good friend in my garage...the swap ended up costing close to 7 grand. There are gonna be problems, and lots of missing parts, etc.
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A swap is great till you get rear ended. lol.
I did it for the looks. Not just for the looks when i popped my hood (which was an awsome feeling), but the looks of unsuspecting drivers. I raced an EVO 8 in my swap car, and although i got very lucky, i beat him. You should of seen the look not only on his face, but on everyone elses face that saw it happen. Dusting Preludes, Civic Si's, GSR's, on the freeway was awsome too. Sure you can do it in a turbo car...but beating those types of cars NA is far better i think.
Oh, and to the person who bought the K20A motor for under 3 grand, and thinks its not gonna cost him much more to have it running...prepare to be suprised. Take it from someone who did the swap. I was in the same boat, i got the motor with what i thought was gonna be everything...i did the install with my good friend in my garage...the swap ended up costing close to 7 grand. There are gonna be problems, and lots of missing parts, etc.
A swap is great till you get rear ended. lol.
I did it for the looks. Not just for the looks when i popped my hood (which was an awsome feeling), but the looks of unsuspecting drivers. I raced an EVO 8 in my swap car, and although i got very lucky, i beat him. You should of seen the look not only on his face, but on everyone elses face that saw it happen. Dusting Preludes, Civic Si's, GSR's, on the freeway was awsome too. Sure you can do it in a turbo car...but beating those types of cars NA is far better i think.
Oh, and to the person who bought the K20A motor for under 3 grand, and thinks its not gonna cost him much more to have it running...prepare to be suprised. Take it from someone who did the swap. I was in the same boat, i got the motor with what i thought was gonna be everything...i did the install with my good friend in my garage...the swap ended up costing close to 7 grand. There are gonna be problems, and lots of missing parts, etc.
so...are u a good mechanic? are u really experienced? can a novice do an engine swap with a little help?
Prices for the motor will more than likely drop due to the fact that there will be more RSX-S's available in a few years. But they may remain the same due to the fact that they are the most sought after motor by Honda and Acura tuners. So, really its hard to tell at this point in time.
The swap itself is just like any other swap. Its the wiring thats hard. If you know lots about wire diagrams, and are really good with electronics, the swap shouldnt be too hard for you.
The swap itself is just like any other swap. Its the wiring thats hard. If you know lots about wire diagrams, and are really good with electronics, the swap shouldnt be too hard for you.
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