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hey brian....type r, type s, type pee pee in my bunghole......don't fret...you guys are making some head turning automobiles....with that much power to boot....i dont care if you put a nissan or toyota badge on it....the looks of the vehicle arent the feats of engineering that catapults a car down the track! (the si does look **** imo) I just think that someone is slightly jealous that you guys have way too much fun over there. But then again, who wouldnt be jealous....i am....

 
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Thanks man. The car has been a blast to screw around with. It was originally built for a Sport Compact Car article called build your own Type R. At the time, The Civic Si had been out about a month and a half and Sport Compact Car asked us to build the car with all the Type R parts we could find.

We used the Type S engine and tranny with Type S suspension. We then installed type R cams, intake, LSD, shifter mechanism, shift boot. We opted not to install some Type R parts like the suspension because Progress Group wanted to do some adjustable coilovers, the brakes because of Fastbrakes wanting to help, the final drive, because we drive back and forth to Cali and shift **** because S2000 **** was higher quality.

We also tried a type R ECU and Mugen ECU but found the Hondata reflash to out perform the others by a fair margin.

Finally we added the European Type R body kit with front and rear bumpers so ti would fit.

It was fun to drive for a while, then we decided we needed to do a K24 swap. When I was shooting the bull with Oscar at SEMA and told him what we were doing, he asked if he could put a supercharger on it.

We have more plans for it with some more goodies, so look for it in a future Sport Compact Car issue.

andyman, when I finish with the turbo K20 96 hatch I'm building for SEMA and I have some time to kill, I'll go run a 12 second 1/4 for you in the 2002 Si. Just for you buddy.


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Ok, ok, seems to me that what I've said has been taken way out of context here. I'm not dissing this car, I'm not saying this is a slow car. I have much respect for HAsport and all of the things they do with honda motors, as I've already said. 12 second run? Believe it when I see it. I honestly feel that the swap done on the sc'ed si is the best honda swap available right now. With a supercharger at 8 psi and non intercooled, I seriously doubt it would make a 12 sec pass.

The only thing that I didn't agree with was the type R badging. That's all I'm saying is that the car is not a type R. It has a usdm motor, usdm head and a few jdm type R parts on it. That does not make the vehicle a type R. That is the only point that I am trying to make. Looking back at my first post, saying "morons" may've been a bit over the top and that's my bad but the car isn't a type R.

 
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I was wondering about that situation. The swap car ran a damn 15 something. Do their drivers just really suck or was it bad conditions?

I saw those times and said to myself "if i've been waiting all this time for a 15 second car i'm gonna kill someone."

 
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In the Car and Driver event, the cars were set up for road racing, i.e. lots of front end camber which reduces the contact patch unless your cornering. The tires were limited to compound with a 120 tread wear factor. No drag radials, D.O.T. legal racing tires like Kuhmo or Toyo or super sticky Hoosiers. Because of its weight and power, the car had a little traction problem. Forget the Car and Driver set-up, even with Toyo Proxes RA-1s and no camber like we had for the Honda Tuning article you can't accelerate full throttle in first and second gear. The car just spins the tires and the engine bounces off the revlimiter.

The track was the other problem. It was not a drag strip, it was a clean section of a pit road at California Speedway. A drag strip as you know not only has a layer of rubber in the launch area, it is usually treated with an agent to enhance traction. At the end of the 1/4 was a right-hand turn on to the infield road course section. A couple of times and especially with the turbo EX Type S our driver let off before the end of the quarter so he wouldn't hit any cones on entry to the road course.

As for the Civic running 12s, the car is so much quicker than my 13.4 second CRX with B16 and supercharger, I'd bet money on the car doing 12s next time out. The only reason I haven't done it already is I've been too busy to order some 5 lug rims to mount some slicks on. I want something made for drag racing and I don't want to buy something I can't put on the 3 other cars I have with 5 lug conversions. Including the K20 powered Insight I'm building. Can you say "Insight Type R". Actually I'm going to change the name of the car to "Epiphany".

brian g

 
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cool thanks for clearing that up. now if only i could get my car to run, and see what it can do...