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this was the original post, that should have never gotten past the 1st page IMO

NOW WE HAVE THIS.........

""ok.. thanks for the motor lesson.. toooo bad our D17s are hondas first jotor to be ALL forged internally.. im fine at my boost level, doubt you even know what it is for street daiuly driver... but yeah.. we can argue all night.. stage 5 probly is 10k + in parts alone.. so this is USELESS.. you wanna compare a 35k+ WRX to my civic.. thats fine.. have fun.. and i know a thing or two about WREX s man.. ive even workeed on a swap into an old 2.5RS.. those motors BREAK.. problems with them vover 500hp... even if built... and tuning SUX.. do what you want man.. but in 3 years your car will still be stock, and i will a;lready have a new car after i make this hit low 12s.. and that doesnt need stage 5.. that needs about 5k in parts for me.. and thats DAILY driver... totally fine.. no probs.. i know this cause ive done it with D16sthis is a honda forum.. talk apples to aplles comparison.. or go home...."""

courtesy of future

 
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its getting harder and harder for me to make sense of what hes trying to say. honestly if he knew what he was talking about he would stop making me spend 20 minutes trying to figure out what he said. only reason my car came into this matter was because rsxswap decided to start yellin bout how his car will be this and that, when all in all, it doesnt have the potential of a bigger motor. its obvious he cant face facts, the links i gave show price lists of the stages. oh yea and 500 hp is a problem? um...no, one of the clubwrx members is going to be pushing 500 WHEEL hp after a tuning. he is running off a stroked motor, etc though pushing 30 psi.

honestly when future says he's worked on this and that, who is he kidding? certainly not me, or else he would know better. the only job he would have if he worked on swaps and all would be as a damn wrench boy.

hey future, hand me that 10mm socket will you?

 
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LOL hey buddy futerrsxswap knows his ****. And for a sohc 1.7 liter motor civic that weighs 2500 pounds and runs a 17 1/4 sock and is now down to a 13.80 with 19s on is impressive. I have a wrx too and to take 3.3 seconds off our 1/2 will cost a little more than 2.5 grand. Lets face it a utec alone is 850 bucks, and a nice fuel/engine manegment system is essencial to our cars. Yeah its easy to get our cars fast, i have a vf34 sitting right next to me that we are putting in this weekend, yes we as in futerrsxswap and i, wow imagine that he can work on subarus too, he must be one hell of a wrench boy. but back to my main point, he is pulling a 13.80 on a sohc 1.7 liter starting out as a 17 second car. We are starting out with a 2.0 liter boxer engine that as you claim can run a 14.1 stock with an accomplished driver. Now to take 3.3 seconds off our stock 1/4 with only 2.5 grand and still have it as reliable as stock? Nah not going to happen.

 
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Lets see what i have and prices:
vf34 -750 dollars
sti injectors- 350 dollars
walbro fuel pump- 100 dollars
Can i just put these in and run 12's? Nah i wish.... Now in order to make these work and get the power i need , i also had to get:
Blitz front mount intercooler-900 dollars
New spark plugs- 60 bucks
Vishnu unichip (poor mans utec) -550 dollars
kakimoto exhaust- 1000 dollars
TXS uppipe- 150 dollars
Hmm i belive i went over my limit awhile ago... and i still want to get a header to help spool that ball bearing turbo up even faster, and wrap for my exhaust components.

 
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YES it you can make a wrx have over 500 wheel ponies no problem but not without a built engine and alot of work and a new turbo. Anyone thats pushing over 300 usually has either a built sti block or a built legacy 22b block. Your making it sound like we can just bolt on the parts and go.

 
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nobody cares

 
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all this arguing, what I think is going on is that futurersxswap is stating a point that for less money you can make a civic reliable and perform much better than a WRX with the same amount of cash. The WRX will not get much more performance (from stock) for $3 or $4k. yes I have a WRX and a civic. The Suby is way quicker but if I dump another 3-4k into the civic it will be faster than the WRX. On the other hand if I put $4k into the WRX and another into the Civic the performance from stock D17 will gain much more hp than the WRX. Enough that it will actually out perform the WRX, not the 0-60 but in the 1/4 mi. (the Civic will always be lighter as well)

One last thing about insurance you're nuts. A WRX being less than a civic ya right. I know the sedan verses coupe and all, but owning both. Come on the WRX is about a grand more per year on insurance.

 
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i customized my turbo kit for my civic for about 1700 bucks. Saved me a buttload of money.

 
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most definately not. with 3 - 4k you could put the wrx near untouchable for a street legal civic.

and dont tell me about reliability when youre talking about turboing a car originally not designed for turbo. i still give that engine 30k miles until it explodes.

i pay 3.5k / yr w/ geico, 5.5k w/ statefarm when i had the civic.

 
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I pay $1300/year for full coverage on my 2002 lx 2 door. And thats with 3 tickets and an accident (which had 2 injuries).

 
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has anyone thought about taking age into account for insurance? I'm 16, so anywhere it'll be like $3500, and thats with the "good student discount" and a clean record.

 
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Theres your price difference geico vs statefarm

 
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I am 19, and i have 4 tickets and an accident with 2 injuries, i do have the "good student discount" for being in college full time and having above a 3.0

 
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what does that 1700bucks turbo setup looks like, specs and pics would be nice..

 
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i forgot to ask, what type of exhaust temps are you running with this sf kit (in celsius please).

 
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haha, anyone care to answer this? I dont have an EGT guage.

 
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ouch, i see melting in your future if its high and you dont know it.

 
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my04wrx- obviously you don't know what you're talking about cause if you're paying that much for insurance, you're nuts. - I'm done arguing with a high school kid.

 
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my high insurance is due to the over 300k they paid out in 2000 for my mustang accident (for hospitalization expenses).
although its quite easy to see that a civic, which ends up in far more crashes than a wrx (based on age of driver, etc) has a much higher insurance rate.

 
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Excuse me? Melting..... haha. Thats funny.

I have had 7 turbo kits for hondas. I am building one for my corvette, and i currently build turbo kits for a living. I work for a man who has been doing custom turbo kits for 7 years. I think i can tell whats going on inside my engine. In fact, the only reason i have guages is for the looks. I dont need guages. I can tell if the car is running too rich, too lean, to little boost, too much boost, and i can tell if it is detonating. All without guages.

Guages are for 3 types of people....

#1. People who dont know what every aspect of their engine feels like (aka people who dont do this for a living)

#2. People who have extremely modified engines.

#3. looks.

 
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and now we must all bow down to catalyst in his omniscience


for those who have a small vocab., that means Catalyst is god (not really, but close enough)

 
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didn't u ppl see what i wrote 2 pgs back ? And u ppl continue to argue like a bunch of girls.....here i'll post it again for u to read !!!!!!!!

 
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This is what i wrote.......read it again !!!!!

 
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amen

 
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^^ I sorta like the arguing...it can be funny. Also I have learned alot from people busting out the technical workings of somthing to prove they are right. The name calling is childish usually. But a good heated debate over how something works can be very informative. At least in my opinion.

 
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^^^^I agree with u bout learning from ppl that bust out the facts, and the name calling **** is stupid. But what about when ppl post pics of their cars, and ppl gotta throw out dumb comments about "it's rice" or "it's gay", that is ignorant. To each is their own, that is what they want and they got it. Who are u to judge what somebody else likes. U are not god and u do not have all the answers. See what i am getting at. ppl only like what they think is good and don't give ppl credit for a job well done if they dont' like it. Complete disrespect !!!

 
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i am god

 
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no i am

 
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Hey, im the one with the title!!!
Look under my avatar!

 
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HEY!! im not arguing, just defending myself

(i know, im a little late)