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I'm new to racing but i have a 2002 honda civic dx with a d17 whats the best engine to swap with for horsepower and torque?

 
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k20a2
its the engine for a rsx type s

welcome to the board. i recommend searching before you post any questions. theres alot of threads about engine swaps.
i also recommend a sf turbo instead of swapping. thats my peronal opinion

 
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jesus tap dancing christ!!!
sorry man, yeah you need to search first but since you only have 2 posts under your belt i wont say anything.

 
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lol dude u realy need to use that search button.. and yeah theres basically only one swap... a K series. and if u wanna go a different route wit like a B series.. well i hope u know someone to do custom mounts.. and probally welding to fit one of those bi tches in there.


oh yea incase ur wondering...

k20 - 3500 atleast
subframe, radiator,ecu - 1200 alteast
Mounts 6 and change
other parts like axels, throttle cables,etc about 1200

installation. ???

and ur looking at about 8k installed.

just go turbo and redo the internals.

 
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all 3 of you basically said the same thing to the new guy, search before posting, only one of you needed to say that and he would probably understand.

 
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we want to make sure we get our messege across

 
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I am pretty sure he understood after one person said it

 
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man who cares stop PWing and when did u become a mod ... not all of us said the same thing.. first one said use search..... second said use search and its a k20 and third one said use search, and its a k20 and told him everything he needed. so bleh.

 
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I know I am not a mod but only one person needs to say that he needs to search first.

 
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yea ok thanks for wasting up space with ur posts... this kinda of stuff with people sayin the same thing 3 times.. only HAPPENS like 10 times a day...

atleast become a super member or have a 1000 posts before u start speaking like a mod.

 
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Not to change the subject but some guy tried to tell me that the GSR engine will fit in our cars- EASILY. I agree that pretty much ANY engine can be put in a car w/ $ and effort but he seems to think that it will "drop in". I should also add that this guy says he wants to buy all "JDM Brand" stuff for his car- any comments on this guys?

 
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Look man I am not trying to be a mod, all I was trying to say was that only one person needed to tell him that he needs to search first before posting a topic, I didnt know that this would be a big deal or turn out to be one.

 
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I am sorry if this became a problem

 
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If you do the swap, im' sure you can do it for less tha 8K, i forget who said 8K...if you do everything yourself, it should come out to about 6K, more or less, with install (alsp pending on who you go to, whether if they have done it before or not etc etc) it should come out to like 7K, 7.2, more or less. Wait a lil longer (like me), and i'm sure that price will drop eventually.

PS- all is if you use the k20a2, if you get the k20a, add an extra what? 2 grand? not too much more if you were going to go ITR route anyways...cuz LSD (quaife) is about a grand plus final drive, cams..etc etc...would end up being more than 2000 anyways

 
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i said 8k ... installed.. professionally.

itll cost about 6-7 doing it urself. u obviously dont relize how much the extra parts needed cost.. go ahead and add them up piece by piece.. including tax for each item u buy.. then get back to me.

 
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I got an estimate of $8000 installed.

 
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see lol i knew i wasnt nuts..i myself was gonna do the swap.. but the swoooooooooooosh of the turbo just sounded more appealing.

 
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ok why we told him to search 3 times you basically said only one of us needs to tell him to search 4 times...now whos being repetitive?? lol j/k man

 
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ok...well, maybe it's just a FL thing because cybernation is quoting roughly 7 grand for everything (mounts, axles, k20a2, radiator,etc etc...sub frame, you know the rest and install, if you already have all the parts, they said they'd install for around 1200-1500 i believe i may be off by a 100?).

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...category=33615 here's one for 2000 buy it now, (maybe thas the a3...anyhow, wait a week or so, then there will probably be an a2 from 3000-3300, lets just say it's 3300)

go to prodrive.com, get the stage 1 axles for about 500, new subframe from acuraautomotiveparts.com for about 300-400 i saw it for, radiator upper and lower hoses for about 30 each, radiator and fans for about 400-500? and mounts, are about 600-650 from hasport, or get the rsx mount supports and ES motor mounts for about 30, for a bit less.

that comes to a little over 5200. My etimates for the OEM parts are prolly off a little considering it's been a while since i last went there to look them up.

REGARDLESS of how much it costs, i'm sure we both can agree that it's gonna cost a chunk of change. right?

 
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Man 1200-1500 for install, there is a place here in houston that does swaps for 500. I dont know how good they are though.

 
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$500 for an RSX swap? That's freakin' cheap! I am THINKING about doing a swap - have a motor that I might buy, but install is going to be about $1000, which isn't TOO bad considering all that's involved. I'm thinking swap vs turbo just because it will be more reliable.

BUT - there is a LOT involved with the swap that most people don't think about, such as the fact that you will have to get custom AC lines, they are not available yet from hasport. Also, all of the power steering hoses and piping, stuff like that. Not to mention the fact that I still haven't gotten a real answer on what to do about reflashing the key (see my thread in FI/swaps for these questions)!

One of the things I don't understand is why buy the $500 hasport motor mounts if the ones from the RSX fit? I'm a little confused there? Can anyone elaborate on that?

 
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I think 500 is pretty cheap too, my friend had a 88 crx and he bought a 96 civic vtec engine and tranny and they did the swap for 300, but they didnt hook up the vtec. He did have problems with it though, and everytime he took it back he had to spend about 50 bucks for something that needed to be replaced. I guess doing a rsx swap would be more, i have no idea.

 
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opto_isolator: The mounts from the hasport are pretty sturdy poly urethane (i believe) which means that during launch, wheel hop will pretty much disappear. While with the OEM mounts, wheel hop is inevitable as more and more HP is added. The only advantage to using the OEM mounts is how the engine looks inside the bay. You can PM whitevic if you need more info this, he has done the swap with the RSX mounts instead of hasport.