Installing Maxrev kit this week
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looking at your pics the kit looks wierd why is the exhaust opening on the manifold up ? instead of down? like the opening is towards the hood instead of going down towards the ground? and also the turbo and manifold are not even lined up its way off....... maybe you have the turbo on wrong because from your pic then edges are not even close to being lined up its off to the right by some inches and i still puzzled why the exhaust manifold opening is pointing up i've never seen that before.
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looking at your pics the kit looks wierd why is the exhaust opening on the manifold up ? instead of down? like the opening is towards the hood instead of going down towards the ground? and also the turbo and manifold are not even lined up its way off....... maybe you have the turbo on wrong because from your pic then edges are not even close to being lined up its off to the right by some inches and i still puzzled why the exhaust manifold opening is pointing up i've never seen that before.
looking at your pics the kit looks wierd why is the exhaust opening on the manifold up ? instead of down? like the opening is towards the hood instead of going down towards the ground? and also the turbo and manifold are not even lined up its way off....... maybe you have the turbo on wrong because from your pic then edges are not even close to being lined up its off to the right by some inches and i still puzzled why the exhaust manifold opening is pointing up i've never seen that before.
take your time andyman...
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ohhh man, come on guys. that is not the exhaust aiming to the hood. that flange is for an external wastegate. stock turbos come with internal wastegates that are connected to the turbo assembly itself, but for custom manifolds, they usually do away with and add a place for an external one. as for the other pic, it doesnt really matter that one flange is bigger than the other, just as long as the bolt holes and exhaust holes line up.let me know what happens andy. we will go to arizona if we have to
oh and i just noticed this if you look at the second pic, the turbo isnt actually bolted to the manifold, andy is holding it up with his hand. that is why it doesnt look right
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Rep Power: 312 there are only 4 bolts on the turbos, and they cannot go on wrong. You can put them on backward, but then the turbine would be on the other side of the engine bay.
It looks to me that he unbolted the turbo from the manifold just to show you how much you would have to move the flange to get the turbo to fit.
That flange on the top of the manifold is for an external wastegate.
That turbo is a T3/T4 hybrid and it is (physically) bigger than the turbo in the SF kit. But since it is a AR.60 intake, that is the same as the upgraded T3 in the SF kit.
The turbo in the SF kit is bigger than an SRT-4 turbo. Those turbos are tiny. I have one sitting in my garage. I turned it into a jet turbine engine because i had no use for it (nothing to put it on)
It looks to me that he unbolted the turbo from the manifold just to show you how much you would have to move the flange to get the turbo to fit.
That flange on the top of the manifold is for an external wastegate.
That turbo is a T3/T4 hybrid and it is (physically) bigger than the turbo in the SF kit. But since it is a AR.60 intake, that is the same as the upgraded T3 in the SF kit.
The turbo in the SF kit is bigger than an SRT-4 turbo. Those turbos are tiny. I have one sitting in my garage. I turned it into a jet turbine engine because i had no use for it (nothing to put it on)
Hey Andy I live in Colorado too. Maybe we could meet up somewhere and compare our kits...I have the same kit *** you and we could see if your manifold was just the bad one in the batch...Well pm me or catch me on aim: zinkyroo
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Ok, first thing.....
-The turbo doesn't fit on the manifold. The clutch slave cyllinder is in the way of the turbo. I can mount the turbo to the manifold if I unbolt the slave cyllinder but I don't want to destroy my clutch, it isn't worth it.
-Yeah, jw, that is indeed the flange for the wastegate. The Maxrev kit comes with a Tial 35 mm wastegate rated for 4.5 lbs w/o boost control. Not to mention that there was no flange for a dump tupe included in the kit, so I had to drive all the way to Denver from the Springs to a turbo shop that actually had a flange for a Tial wastegate and spend another 30 bucks, not to mention the time, aggravation and gas to go up there and back.
-I did speak with Mike with Maxrev sales today. He seemed hesitant about accepting the kit back and told me he'd send me a new downpipe. This still leaves the issue of the slave cyllinder. He told me that I'd have to fabricate a bracket to move the cyllinder over so that I would be able to mount the turbo in place. That is the most ridiculous thing that I've heard.
Let me get this straight......
-I spend 2,500 dollars of my hard earned money for a turbo kit that is supposedly designed for my car.
-I don't receive an intercooler with the kit which I didn't know about until the day of.
-I ask for the money for the cost of a new intercooler and they won't give it to me.
-I attempt to install the turbo and it doesn't fit at all (not to mention that I have pictures to prove it.)
-I finally get ahold of someone at Maxrev and he tells me that I have to have a bracket made (that should be included with the kit anyways.)
-He offers to send me another downpipe.
-I have to track down a flange for the wastegate or I can have flames shooting into my bumper.
Is it me or is this just totally not worth it? Well, to me, it isn't worth it at all. So I contacted my bank this morning, told them what happened, disputed the charge and they gave me a provisional credit for the amount back. I'll leave it to them to get the money back from Maxrev. I told them that they could schedule a UPS pickup for the kit whenever they like.
I'm through with Maxrev. If they didn't do the research and develpment to produce a kit that can fit, I have serious doubts about the power they claim with their kits and the quality of their products. I would advise everyone to avoid doing business with them.
Another thing that puzzles me is this: they told me that there were dozens of cars like mine with this kit....where are these imaginary people at? How come nobody on this site has one on their cars? That's what I figured too.
So I've been talking with Mike at Stafford Fabrications and he seems like a really stand up guy. Not to mention that his kit is proven so I am going to pickup a turbo setup from him instead and I am confident that things will go well with this kit.
-The turbo doesn't fit on the manifold. The clutch slave cyllinder is in the way of the turbo. I can mount the turbo to the manifold if I unbolt the slave cyllinder but I don't want to destroy my clutch, it isn't worth it.
-Yeah, jw, that is indeed the flange for the wastegate. The Maxrev kit comes with a Tial 35 mm wastegate rated for 4.5 lbs w/o boost control. Not to mention that there was no flange for a dump tupe included in the kit, so I had to drive all the way to Denver from the Springs to a turbo shop that actually had a flange for a Tial wastegate and spend another 30 bucks, not to mention the time, aggravation and gas to go up there and back.
-I did speak with Mike with Maxrev sales today. He seemed hesitant about accepting the kit back and told me he'd send me a new downpipe. This still leaves the issue of the slave cyllinder. He told me that I'd have to fabricate a bracket to move the cyllinder over so that I would be able to mount the turbo in place. That is the most ridiculous thing that I've heard.
Let me get this straight......
-I spend 2,500 dollars of my hard earned money for a turbo kit that is supposedly designed for my car.
-I don't receive an intercooler with the kit which I didn't know about until the day of.
-I ask for the money for the cost of a new intercooler and they won't give it to me.
-I attempt to install the turbo and it doesn't fit at all (not to mention that I have pictures to prove it.)
-I finally get ahold of someone at Maxrev and he tells me that I have to have a bracket made (that should be included with the kit anyways.)
-He offers to send me another downpipe.
-I have to track down a flange for the wastegate or I can have flames shooting into my bumper.
Is it me or is this just totally not worth it? Well, to me, it isn't worth it at all. So I contacted my bank this morning, told them what happened, disputed the charge and they gave me a provisional credit for the amount back. I'll leave it to them to get the money back from Maxrev. I told them that they could schedule a UPS pickup for the kit whenever they like.
I'm through with Maxrev. If they didn't do the research and develpment to produce a kit that can fit, I have serious doubts about the power they claim with their kits and the quality of their products. I would advise everyone to avoid doing business with them.
Another thing that puzzles me is this: they told me that there were dozens of cars like mine with this kit....where are these imaginary people at? How come nobody on this site has one on their cars? That's what I figured too.
So I've been talking with Mike at Stafford Fabrications and he seems like a really stand up guy. Not to mention that his kit is proven so I am going to pickup a turbo setup from him instead and I am confident that things will go well with this kit.
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Im still going to have faith in Max-Rev and try to install it...
Im still going to have faith in Max-Rev and try to install it...
Tell me what you don't like about yourself....
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Rep Power: 412 I'm glad that I'm waiting to get my kit. I was ready to drop the $$$ on the max rev kit because it looked like the best deal.
That sucks that this crap happened to you.
The SF Kit is fricken amazing with it's power and options. SF also hasn't been hesitant at all in helping us out or keeping us up to date on the kit.
That sucks that this crap happened to you.
The SF Kit is fricken amazing with it's power and options. SF also hasn't been hesitant at all in helping us out or keeping us up to date on the kit.
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Rep Power: 311 Its funny, since all they need to do is a few simple modifications to the kit - like weld a flange to the downpipe for the wastegate, include the bracket, and test fit it. I've spoken with Mike at Maxrev a few times via email - they sound like they know what they are doing, but I think that they put this kit together thinking that maybe a shop would be putting it in. I know, it sucks, but that's why we have competition out there (SFPower, TurboDiscounters, hopefully someday HKS).
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In our defense, I was trying to make things right by him but he was very irate and unwilling to let me solve his problem.
We obtained a customers 2002 Civic last night and test fit one of our kits to check if one of our jigs somehow became misalligned. No such problems arose. It is a very close fit, as most aftermarket turbo systems are. We are working on a bracket for the slave cylinder to slightly relocate it for clearance. Everyone who has ordered this kit was told about the bracket mod to the best of my knowledge. If Andy wasn't, I am sorry, but being the size company that we are, I can't talk to everyone that calls. It is really a simple thing to make the bracket, and in our 19 years of experience of manufacturing turbo kits we have found that individuals that are modifying their car with a turbo kit usually are capable of fabbing simple items such as a bracket. Regardless, we will be producing some and including them with all kits from now on. Anyone who has previously purchased the D17 kits and wants a bracket will be given one.
If you check outside the world of 7thGenCivic.com, you will find that we are a VERY well known and respected manufacturer of turbo systems. There are literally thousands of our turbo systems in use around the world on the street and on the strip. We make no claims of being perfect as nobody is perfect. We pride ourselves in producing a superior quality product at a reasonable price. If we somehow make a mistake, or there is an issue with one of our products, we address it immediately and solve it / fix it/ or whatever it takes to remedy the issue.
Anyone who has any questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact me by phone or e-mail.
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In our defense, I was trying to make things right by him but he was very irate and unwilling to let me solve his problem.
We obtained a customers 2002 Civic last night and test fit one of our kits to check if one of our jigs somehow became misalligned. No such problems arose. It is a very close fit, as most aftermarket turbo systems are. We are working on a bracket for the slave cylinder to slightly relocate it for clearance. Everyone who has ordered this kit was told about the bracket mod to the best of my knowledge. If Andy wasn't, I am sorry, but being the size company that we are, I can't talk to everyone that calls. It is really a simple thing to make the bracket, and in our 19 years of experience of manufacturing turbo kits we have found that individuals that are modifying their car with a turbo kit usually are capable of fabbing simple items such as a bracket. Regardless, we will be producing some and including them with all kits from now on. Anyone who has previously purchased the D17 kits and wants a bracket will be given one.
If you check outside the world of 7thGenCivic.com, you will find that we are a VERY well known and respected manufacturer of turbo systems. There are literally thousands of our turbo systems in use around the world on the street and on the strip. We make no claims of being perfect as nobody is perfect. We pride ourselves in producing a superior quality product at a reasonable price. If we somehow make a mistake, or there is an issue with one of our products, we address it immediately and solve it / fix it/ or whatever it takes to remedy the issue.
Anyone who has any questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact me by phone or e-mail.
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Rep Power: 584 if ur doing a turbo setup and u have absolutely no problems whatsoever then that is a problem, ive never seen a turbod car that didnt have something small that had to be done to make it work...............and i must say maxrev ur polished manifold is amazingly nice looking and from what i can see reliable against defects
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Rep Power: 350 Irate in a phone call? I don't know what you are talking about, I was as calm and collective as I could be. I got my money back so I really don't care about the fitment of the kit anymore. Fabricating a piece? Moving the slave cyllinder is not a smart idea, nor is it safe. Being such a reputable and well known company, I would think that you would understand how a clutch works.
Anyhow, if you look in the pictures, you will see very clearly that the kit did not fit. Even when I moved the slave cyllinder out of the way, the downpipe still did not clear, so don't try and blame it on me like it was my fault because I didn't fabricate a simple piece. Also, the wastegate had no flange for a dump tube. Don't tell me that you expect someone to run a wastegate straight open, you should know that they will need to do something with it.
Also, I had to find other things as well, such as:
dump tube for wastegate
flange for wastegate dump tube
mounting bolt for fuel return line
extra couplings for ic piping, not to mention I had to get a straight pipe in place of the ic because you guys didn't tell me the ic was backordered
As far as telling me about the bracket for the slave cyllinder, why is it that when I talked to you, you said nothing about a bracket until you thought something up?
Badmouthing your company? You're damned right....look at what I was sent. I will tell everyone that I know to stay away from your kits. I shouldn't have to spend 2500 dollars and then figure out that I need to fabricate this, pick up that, it defeats the purpose of buying a complete turbo setup.
Anyhow, if you look in the pictures, you will see very clearly that the kit did not fit. Even when I moved the slave cyllinder out of the way, the downpipe still did not clear, so don't try and blame it on me like it was my fault because I didn't fabricate a simple piece. Also, the wastegate had no flange for a dump tube. Don't tell me that you expect someone to run a wastegate straight open, you should know that they will need to do something with it.
Also, I had to find other things as well, such as:
dump tube for wastegate
flange for wastegate dump tube
mounting bolt for fuel return line
extra couplings for ic piping, not to mention I had to get a straight pipe in place of the ic because you guys didn't tell me the ic was backordered
As far as telling me about the bracket for the slave cyllinder, why is it that when I talked to you, you said nothing about a bracket until you thought something up?
Badmouthing your company? You're damned right....look at what I was sent. I will tell everyone that I know to stay away from your kits. I shouldn't have to spend 2500 dollars and then figure out that I need to fabricate this, pick up that, it defeats the purpose of buying a complete turbo setup.
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Rep Power: 350 Well, after speaking with Mike at Maxrev again, he will not accept the turbo kit back and refund my money to me. He says that the disclaimer states once it has been removed from original packaging, it will not be accepted for return.
I would never have attempted an install if this kit had fit on my car, that is my only issue. I do not want to move my slave cyllinder for fear of uneven wear on my bearings, and I think this is a completely understandable concern. I was not trying to be an *** about this at all. I think Mike was pissed because someone called bs on one of their kits and backed it up. I was not irate with him on the phone whatsoever, I just didn't want to hassle with getting a new manifold, downpipe, etc. I understand that things like this happen but when they do, the merchant/manufacturer needs to step up to the plate and take responsibility for their company's mistakes, not blame the customer.
In addition, Mike told me that he wasn't going to accept the kit back for the simple fact that I posted on this board and told everyone the truth. Again, how professional is this? I also received the backordered intercooler today, which I told Mike not to send me but it seems like he doesn't want to be liable for a penny of a refund so he sent it to me anyways.
So....if anyone decides to install this kit, be prepared for some tranny troubles and don't
expect too much, if any help from Maxrev, they will probably blame it on you. Please steer clear of them.
One last thing, I found my list of additional parts I had to buy for this kit:
I had to pick up a new bolt for the downpipe to bolt it onto the turbo because the one they sent me didn't fit with the bend of the downpipe off of the flange
Bolt for the oil return line plus the nut and washers to mount to the oil pan
Metal eating dremmel bits and dremmel for the chewed up ic piping
Hacksaw blades to trim the chewed up ic piping
Welds for: bov onto ic piping, flange onto dump tube for wastegate and flange onto downpipe
Additional hose coupling for ic piping
Vacuum lines
Hose clamps for vacuum lines and oil return line
So you can see how quickly these things add up.
Does it say anything here about additional parts needed or fabricate this, fabricate that? No, it appears to be a complet kit made specifically for our cars, that's the only problem I have here.
All authorized return merchandise must be unused and in its original saleable packaging.
I would never have attempted an install if this kit had fit on my car, that is my only issue. I do not want to move my slave cyllinder for fear of uneven wear on my bearings, and I think this is a completely understandable concern. I was not trying to be an *** about this at all. I think Mike was pissed because someone called bs on one of their kits and backed it up. I was not irate with him on the phone whatsoever, I just didn't want to hassle with getting a new manifold, downpipe, etc. I understand that things like this happen but when they do, the merchant/manufacturer needs to step up to the plate and take responsibility for their company's mistakes, not blame the customer.
In addition, Mike told me that he wasn't going to accept the kit back for the simple fact that I posted on this board and told everyone the truth. Again, how professional is this? I also received the backordered intercooler today, which I told Mike not to send me but it seems like he doesn't want to be liable for a penny of a refund so he sent it to me anyways.
So....if anyone decides to install this kit, be prepared for some tranny troubles and don't
expect too much, if any help from Maxrev, they will probably blame it on you. Please steer clear of them.
One last thing, I found my list of additional parts I had to buy for this kit:
I had to pick up a new bolt for the downpipe to bolt it onto the turbo because the one they sent me didn't fit with the bend of the downpipe off of the flange
Bolt for the oil return line plus the nut and washers to mount to the oil pan
Metal eating dremmel bits and dremmel for the chewed up ic piping
Hacksaw blades to trim the chewed up ic piping
Welds for: bov onto ic piping, flange onto dump tube for wastegate and flange onto downpipe
Additional hose coupling for ic piping
Vacuum lines
Hose clamps for vacuum lines and oil return line
So you can see how quickly these things add up.
The Max-Rev D17 Series Turbo Kit is a premier system for the new SOHC Honda VTEC motor. It was specifcally designed for the new crop of Honda Civics. The package uses only high quality componets and is designed to be versatile and affordable while at the same time producing great power.
Applications
D17 Series Honda Motors Found in the 01+ Civics
Performance
Stock D Series Motors: 200hp-275hp Built Motors: 275hp-360hp
Base Kit includes:
-Garrett T3-T04 VB35HF
-Tial 35mm Wastegate
-Max-Rev Stainless Turbo Manifold
-Max-Rev 2.5 inch Stainless Downpipe
-Max-Rev Large Front Mount Intercooler
-Mandrel Bent Piping Kit
-Max-Rev Billet BlowOff Valve and mount
-Max-Rev Stainless Oil Line Kit
-Heavy-Duty Silicon Couplings and Hose Clamps
-High Quality Hardware, Connectors, Hose, and T-Fittings
Applications
D17 Series Honda Motors Found in the 01+ Civics
Performance
Stock D Series Motors: 200hp-275hp Built Motors: 275hp-360hp
Base Kit includes:
-Garrett T3-T04 VB35HF
-Tial 35mm Wastegate
-Max-Rev Stainless Turbo Manifold
-Max-Rev 2.5 inch Stainless Downpipe
-Max-Rev Large Front Mount Intercooler
-Mandrel Bent Piping Kit
-Max-Rev Billet BlowOff Valve and mount
-Max-Rev Stainless Oil Line Kit
-Heavy-Duty Silicon Couplings and Hose Clamps
-High Quality Hardware, Connectors, Hose, and T-Fittings
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Rep Power: 312 rush, rush, rush..... all these companies just rushing, and not working. You put some R&D and TESTING into the kits, and they will work. It has been proven over and over again.
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Rep Power: 350 This is Michael Floren from Colorado Springs. I currently own a Porsche 944 turbo that will soon be capable of 200mph. a 2001 Mustang GT that I am in the middle of a 5.4L Lightning SC engine swap at about 600hp. I also have installed several turbo kits on hondas (b16s and d15s,) not to mention several dsms and subies. So my experience is good.
I am also in the middle of designing a kit for my porsche that should push me over the 620hp mark and over the 200mph barrier, so yes i do know my ****.
I AM NOT FLAMING THIS COMPANY. I AM FLAMING THIS TURBO KIT.
This kit was just poorly manufactured. From my opinion there was not enough R&D put into the kit to really pull it off. Any one can but a turbo on a car, place an intercooler in the intake. and run bosot to make hp. but to do it right is another story.
- The turbo is too big for only 1.7L of displacement. It will push enough air at higher rpms but not enought at the lower rpms and the lag would be incredible. a t3-t4 is good for about 2.5L, not for 1.7L even at the REVS that you can make it go.
- The turbo is physically too big for that engine bay. If we did make the bracket for the movement of the slave cyl. and then acually got the turbo in place (we did do this after we removed the slave just to see how is was supposed to fit) the intake piping routing would still be a complete headache with way too many bends and not enough piping in the kit to acually get the job done.
- the down pipe was well manufactured. it looked good and would probably flow well. but it did extend a little to far into the area that the ac is saposed to take up. so we would have to take a hammer and beat it in about 1 inch. i dont think that it would flow well after that.
- The external wastegate is a great thing. I run a tial 46mm on my 3.0L porsche. They are great products but anyone can buy them and include them in a kit. In order for me to install it I would have to cut, hack, buy all of the necessary parts then use my tig welder to try to dump it into the down pipe. This creates a big problem. The internal wastegate creates a large portion of unstable air after the turbo, thus creating back pressure and thus reducing spool up. If the kit was made to dump the exhaust gasses into the down pipe from straight above then it would create this same effect and thus acting in the same manner as an internal waistgate and not really helping much. the best way would have been to run another pipe out of the wastegate and acually had it connect to the exhaust at mid car...or better yet to dump it to atmosphere.
- A 'log' type exhaust manifold is probably one of the biggest waste of time. It is slightly better then the ghetto experimentation kit that i put on my buddies d-15. We took the stock manifold and welded a turbo to it. A ha. for a little over $60 we made a delsol run a low 14 sec pass at 6800 ft. But to get back to the manifold, it was designed in such a way that the 2nd cyllinder would place alot more pressure on the turbo than the other 3. And thus every time the 2nd cyl ran through the exhaust cycle which would make the turbo spin faster then when the other 3 cyllinders were going through the exhaust cycle. the log type of manifold is easy to make with the minimal amount of time and effort and thus a minimal amount of gain.
- the intake piping was a joke. please. all it was was some exhaust piping bent but not precut at all. even if you were to powdercoat it the inside of it ould rust over time and well can you picture small oxidized metal particles flowing into your engine? damage maybe? along time from now possibly. but in hawaii or in the southern states where humidity is high it would happen much faster. aluminum or sylicone, ir even a coating on th einside would help to stop this from happening.
- andy had to go out and spend over $300 on misc. hard items like flanges, pipes, and fittings. come on now. if you are going to build a kit that 'bolts on' then make it bolt on. dont exclude misc parts and pieces so that you have a lower price. and yet the buyer still has to go out and pay the difference in mist parts and pieces.
- almost all kits require some modding. I do understand this. but to see some of the poorer examples of thought, experience, or just plain lazyness bothers me. I have seen it with alot of companies. over time they get the reputation of being the best and thus lose the edge. or they just dont want to spend the time to make it right the first time. and some times the economics of it all make it impossible to compete with competitive desighnes. but this 'kit' is deffenantly somthing that was not well thought through.
now I bet that if I were to install another kit by this comapny on another car that it would probably work well. (after all your not commiting an act of enginerring marvel by building a turbo kit.) but the basics are simple.
- the turbo is to big or needs to be moved / tilted a little bit.
- log type manifolds are 2nd to the bottom of the barrel in design.
- the hp gaines need to be reserched on the dyno sheets to see where the power was being delivered.
- with 2 kits being identical. the one with the external waist gate being vented to atmosphere will make higher power #'s.
- the bigger turbo is rarely the best turbo to use. you have to look at all aspects before chosing what turbo your car/driving style needs.
- I would think twice before ordering this kit, espically when I see other better designs out there. and i would not order this paticular kit untill they did some redesigning of it.
- moving the slave clyingderis not a good idea. unless you piviot it on the same axis that it origionally sits in relation to the clutch fork.
-turbo kits are great. but to make reall hp you need to understand the compleate dynamics of your engine and why/how the engine builders build the eigines a certain way for boosted applications.
---- THE CHEAPEST KIT IS USUALLY THE WORST KIT TO BUY. AFTER ALL YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR --- to put it in simple words dont expect a 2500$ kit to perform like my custom 30,000$ kit. dont buy the cheapest kit, it is cheap for a reason. but dont blow your money either.
what weighs more one rock or a bucket full of feathers?
just bc this comapny has one bad kit does not mean that it is a compleat write off. it just means that they have to rethink how they are competing whith the other companies.
if you have any questions at all you can e-mail me at mekersway@yahoo.com
i know of many good beginers and advanced books to read on this subject.
I am also in the middle of designing a kit for my porsche that should push me over the 620hp mark and over the 200mph barrier, so yes i do know my ****.
I AM NOT FLAMING THIS COMPANY. I AM FLAMING THIS TURBO KIT.
This kit was just poorly manufactured. From my opinion there was not enough R&D put into the kit to really pull it off. Any one can but a turbo on a car, place an intercooler in the intake. and run bosot to make hp. but to do it right is another story.
- The turbo is too big for only 1.7L of displacement. It will push enough air at higher rpms but not enought at the lower rpms and the lag would be incredible. a t3-t4 is good for about 2.5L, not for 1.7L even at the REVS that you can make it go.
- The turbo is physically too big for that engine bay. If we did make the bracket for the movement of the slave cyl. and then acually got the turbo in place (we did do this after we removed the slave just to see how is was supposed to fit) the intake piping routing would still be a complete headache with way too many bends and not enough piping in the kit to acually get the job done.
- the down pipe was well manufactured. it looked good and would probably flow well. but it did extend a little to far into the area that the ac is saposed to take up. so we would have to take a hammer and beat it in about 1 inch. i dont think that it would flow well after that.
- The external wastegate is a great thing. I run a tial 46mm on my 3.0L porsche. They are great products but anyone can buy them and include them in a kit. In order for me to install it I would have to cut, hack, buy all of the necessary parts then use my tig welder to try to dump it into the down pipe. This creates a big problem. The internal wastegate creates a large portion of unstable air after the turbo, thus creating back pressure and thus reducing spool up. If the kit was made to dump the exhaust gasses into the down pipe from straight above then it would create this same effect and thus acting in the same manner as an internal waistgate and not really helping much. the best way would have been to run another pipe out of the wastegate and acually had it connect to the exhaust at mid car...or better yet to dump it to atmosphere.
- A 'log' type exhaust manifold is probably one of the biggest waste of time. It is slightly better then the ghetto experimentation kit that i put on my buddies d-15. We took the stock manifold and welded a turbo to it. A ha. for a little over $60 we made a delsol run a low 14 sec pass at 6800 ft. But to get back to the manifold, it was designed in such a way that the 2nd cyllinder would place alot more pressure on the turbo than the other 3. And thus every time the 2nd cyl ran through the exhaust cycle which would make the turbo spin faster then when the other 3 cyllinders were going through the exhaust cycle. the log type of manifold is easy to make with the minimal amount of time and effort and thus a minimal amount of gain.
- the intake piping was a joke. please. all it was was some exhaust piping bent but not precut at all. even if you were to powdercoat it the inside of it ould rust over time and well can you picture small oxidized metal particles flowing into your engine? damage maybe? along time from now possibly. but in hawaii or in the southern states where humidity is high it would happen much faster. aluminum or sylicone, ir even a coating on th einside would help to stop this from happening.
- andy had to go out and spend over $300 on misc. hard items like flanges, pipes, and fittings. come on now. if you are going to build a kit that 'bolts on' then make it bolt on. dont exclude misc parts and pieces so that you have a lower price. and yet the buyer still has to go out and pay the difference in mist parts and pieces.
- almost all kits require some modding. I do understand this. but to see some of the poorer examples of thought, experience, or just plain lazyness bothers me. I have seen it with alot of companies. over time they get the reputation of being the best and thus lose the edge. or they just dont want to spend the time to make it right the first time. and some times the economics of it all make it impossible to compete with competitive desighnes. but this 'kit' is deffenantly somthing that was not well thought through.
now I bet that if I were to install another kit by this comapny on another car that it would probably work well. (after all your not commiting an act of enginerring marvel by building a turbo kit.) but the basics are simple.
- the turbo is to big or needs to be moved / tilted a little bit.
- log type manifolds are 2nd to the bottom of the barrel in design.
- the hp gaines need to be reserched on the dyno sheets to see where the power was being delivered.
- with 2 kits being identical. the one with the external waist gate being vented to atmosphere will make higher power #'s.
- the bigger turbo is rarely the best turbo to use. you have to look at all aspects before chosing what turbo your car/driving style needs.
- I would think twice before ordering this kit, espically when I see other better designs out there. and i would not order this paticular kit untill they did some redesigning of it.
- moving the slave clyingderis not a good idea. unless you piviot it on the same axis that it origionally sits in relation to the clutch fork.
-turbo kits are great. but to make reall hp you need to understand the compleate dynamics of your engine and why/how the engine builders build the eigines a certain way for boosted applications.
---- THE CHEAPEST KIT IS USUALLY THE WORST KIT TO BUY. AFTER ALL YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR --- to put it in simple words dont expect a 2500$ kit to perform like my custom 30,000$ kit. dont buy the cheapest kit, it is cheap for a reason. but dont blow your money either.
what weighs more one rock or a bucket full of feathers?
just bc this comapny has one bad kit does not mean that it is a compleat write off. it just means that they have to rethink how they are competing whith the other companies.
if you have any questions at all you can e-mail me at mekersway@yahoo.com
i know of many good beginers and advanced books to read on this subject.
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Rep Power: 0 Andy is making it sound like I made no effort to resolve this problem and this is a LIE. I didn't pack the kit, so I do not know what went out in it. He sent me some pics which many of you have seen. They were so highly photoshopped it is impossible for me to verify anything. It may have had a mispick of one part being that we make so many Honda turbo kits. Bottom line is I do not know.
"In addition, Mike told me that he wasn't going to accept the kit back for the simple fact that I posted on this board and told everyone the truth."
Again, this is a LIE. I told him that I can't issue a refund because it had been installed and modified. The product is not resellable...Period. I did clearly post that I would offer a 14 day return if the product was unused and in its original saleable packaging. I also told Andy to ship it back at our expense and I would check the kit and correct any problems even replace parts if necessary. I did tell him that I pride myself in the fact that everyone always tells me/ posts how great I am to deal with and how well I take care of them, and I did not appreciate how he went online and trashed me / Max-Rev without first giving me a chance to remedy the situation. Also, on the fact of needing additional parts, it is clearly stated as a BASE kit. Many people have many different mods so we offer base kits with options, not expensive complete kits with parts you do not need. If you need parts that are not included in the kit, I am glad to sell them to you. I provided a full list of what is included in the very first post of the group buy.
Now, for Andy's friend Michael
-If you know so much about turbos then you will realize that the turbo that comes with the kit is a T3-T04 VB35. This is a small turbo for small displacement motors. It has a very fast spool time and makes full boost at a reasonably low RPM. This can be verified by contacting Garrett.
-"the intake piping was a joke. please. all it was was some exhaust piping bent but not precut at all. even if you were to powdercoat it the inside of it ould rust over time and well can you picture small oxidized metal particles flowing into your engine? damage maybe? along time from now possibly. but in hawaii or in the southern states where humidity is high it would happen much faster. aluminum or sylicone, ir even a coating on th einside would help to stop this from happening."
Well, the intake piping is cut to fit, sorry you guys had to buy a saw blade. If you saw any so called chewed up marks on it it is from the fact it is mandrel bent and the vices left a few marks. If he was interested in perfect looking piping then he should have ordered the polishing option.
-Also, ummmm Stainless steel needs no powder coating as it DOESN'T RUST?
If anyone has any questions about our kit, any issues discussed here, or anything else, I encourage you to contact me directly with any concerns. I can provide verifiable contacts of individuals that have installed our D17 kit without any issues. We also now ship model specific downpipes with the kit and we have eliminated the need to relocate the slave cylinder. We do extensively R&D our kits, it just seems that some of the 7th gen owners are not experienced mechanics and need a more novice friendly kit so we changed it.
Thanks
"In addition, Mike told me that he wasn't going to accept the kit back for the simple fact that I posted on this board and told everyone the truth."
Again, this is a LIE. I told him that I can't issue a refund because it had been installed and modified. The product is not resellable...Period. I did clearly post that I would offer a 14 day return if the product was unused and in its original saleable packaging. I also told Andy to ship it back at our expense and I would check the kit and correct any problems even replace parts if necessary. I did tell him that I pride myself in the fact that everyone always tells me/ posts how great I am to deal with and how well I take care of them, and I did not appreciate how he went online and trashed me / Max-Rev without first giving me a chance to remedy the situation. Also, on the fact of needing additional parts, it is clearly stated as a BASE kit. Many people have many different mods so we offer base kits with options, not expensive complete kits with parts you do not need. If you need parts that are not included in the kit, I am glad to sell them to you. I provided a full list of what is included in the very first post of the group buy.
Now, for Andy's friend Michael
-If you know so much about turbos then you will realize that the turbo that comes with the kit is a T3-T04 VB35. This is a small turbo for small displacement motors. It has a very fast spool time and makes full boost at a reasonably low RPM. This can be verified by contacting Garrett.
-"the intake piping was a joke. please. all it was was some exhaust piping bent but not precut at all. even if you were to powdercoat it the inside of it ould rust over time and well can you picture small oxidized metal particles flowing into your engine? damage maybe? along time from now possibly. but in hawaii or in the southern states where humidity is high it would happen much faster. aluminum or sylicone, ir even a coating on th einside would help to stop this from happening."
Well, the intake piping is cut to fit, sorry you guys had to buy a saw blade. If you saw any so called chewed up marks on it it is from the fact it is mandrel bent and the vices left a few marks. If he was interested in perfect looking piping then he should have ordered the polishing option.
-Also, ummmm Stainless steel needs no powder coating as it DOESN'T RUST?
If anyone has any questions about our kit, any issues discussed here, or anything else, I encourage you to contact me directly with any concerns. I can provide verifiable contacts of individuals that have installed our D17 kit without any issues. We also now ship model specific downpipes with the kit and we have eliminated the need to relocate the slave cylinder. We do extensively R&D our kits, it just seems that some of the 7th gen owners are not experienced mechanics and need a more novice friendly kit so we changed it.
Thanks
