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Not against andyman or anyone else - but its good to see a vendor respond to back up his product!

 
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Ill just stick with SF.

 
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me too

 
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Whats sad is Andyman originally posted "this will be a learning experience"...

When the first thing went wrong, he blew up. Instead of taking a step back, addressing the situation with the manufacter, and then acting in an appropriate manner.

Sad.

 
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You told me you would have made an effort had I not put a post up on the board. I'm not the liar here, you are, don't flip this around on me like it's my fault. You got all pissed off when you saw my post and that was all there was to that.
See above. You said you weren't going out of your way for someone who "trash talked" your company. So I guess standing behind your product doesn't matter to you. If your kit is so great, why doesn't it bolt in directly with no modification? You mean to tell me that you put so much r and d into your kit that it won't even fit into the engine with no modification? Ok, that's obviously something that's hard to do....but wait, why is it that Mike Stafford made a kit that does fit right in?

 
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OWNED!!!!!! imp:

 
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What's sad is that you open your mouth and have no idea what you're talking about. First off, I didn't blow up at anything, it was very dissappointing to spend 2500 bucks on a kit and have problems with fitment. It wasn't as simple as relocating the slave cyllinder, you can easily wear your bearings in the clutch by doing this and it isn't worth it to me to destroy my tranny. Not to mention that I had three experienced friends helping me out, one of which was a mechanic.

So think before you speak so you don't make an *** of yourself, mmkay?

 
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lol

 
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Do u expect everyone who buys your kit to be an experianced mechanic and have the tools to fabricate brackets and **** that should have come with the kit?

Personally if i spent $2500 on a kit that did not fit and you would not refund my money i would come kick your ***.

 
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If you go to my post on the second page, you will see the original pics that I posted there which weren't photoshopped. They are quite large, so in order for me to fit them in a post I had to chop them. Now tell me that you can't tell what's what in these pics.

 
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I also never said you didnt have problems. Learning Experience = You take it one step at a time. There will be setbacks. You take them in stride and you regroup. Instead, you blew up. Period.

btw, stafford now has a thread in which people who have bought his kit had missing pieces and some small issues.

Did you have bigger issues? Probably. Did you ship the kit back to them, on their dime, so they could look over their kit and make sure you got all the right pieces? No.

$2500 for a turbo kit isn't expensive. Yes, its alot of money. But if I bought a new model KIA, thats still $11k. Should I expect some issues? Yes. Look at our Civics, the 01s have quite a few problems. No matter how much R&D you do, stuff happens. Packaging errors happen. Shipping errors happen. DESIGN errors happen. Its the nature of the game.

Maxrev is making changes. SFPower is looking to make changes on his kit even though it is nice as it is. These kits are new. Give them room to grow.

Gratz on name calling too. Shows your true maturity.

 
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You don't know what I've done and what I'm doing. Blowing up? WTF are you talking about? I think maybe you should reread the entire thread. Don't make assumptions and judge me when you don't know what's going on or understand the whole story. Name calling? When, where? All I said was that you're making an *** of yourself, I didn't say that you are an *** although you have yet to prove that you're not. I didn't ask for your help or your criticism in taking care of this nor do I need it, so if you don't have anything constructive to add, don't post.

 
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1. You edited your post with the unmature comments

2. How many chances did you give MaxRev to fix their mistake before canceling your payment? As I read it, it was zero. You never let them send you anything new as they requested and/or you didnt want to send the kit back on their dime to look it over to make sure you got the right stuff. Now if they send you new stuff and it still didn't work right, I feel you have a legit beef.

Companies make mistakes. How many times have we gone to a store and bought things that didnt work when we got them home? Lots. We go back to the store and get a new one. I bought my Civic and it was in the shop 2 weeks later having the gear box being torn apart. Do I have Honda Sucks ***/Toyota ROX! in my signature? No. I brought it to their attention and they fixed the problem. I didn't scream LEMON!

My problem from reading your post is it doesn't seem like you gave them a single chance to make things right. That is all.

 
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You're right, I didn't give them a chance to fix it. It is my right as a consumer, period. I don't have to wait around on them. And it is my choice and I can put whatever the hell I want to in my signature. It's none of your business what I do. You aren't the one who bought the kit and spent the time attempting to install it. I seriously doubt you would have been very happy about it either.

 
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Stop fighting lol. You both have valid points. Drink beer instead

 
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right on

 
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all i can say is wow
this gets me scared
but i have only myself to blame if something doesn't go right
sorry things didn't go a smooth as planned
good luck with the future install

 
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You are 100% correct. I've been in auto aftermarket retail for over 8 years now, and customer satisfaction is definatly the number one priority. If someone is not happy with the quality of a part they received (no matter what the situation), its up to me to make it right. one way or the other. If they don't want to give us a chance to fix it, after we offer...well it sux...
but you take it in the ***, send a call tag, and refund thier money in full. Customer goes away maybe not happy but at least satisfied. Any company is under the microscope now with the internet and a forum for just about anything. One bad handling of a customer can and will lead to a loss of few new prospective customers.
But there is nothing more satisfying then seeing someone post positive experiences about you and your company. Or someone posting something bad and having a butt load of people backing you and your customer service reputation up.
You are what your reputation says you are period. And its up to your customers to decide.

 
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^^^ nicely said

 
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I decided to make my own name up for this board. I m andys friend michael..

HOW the HELL do you expect a person to test fit a turbo and manifold if it is in the origional packing? i mean seriously. dont you have to open the box, unwrap it, and test fit it to make shure that it fits? I doubt that I have enough ESP to mentally invission the kit while it is still in the origional packing and say.. "andy my friend. i know that you want this kit to work and all, but the slave clyinder is going to be in the way. and oh ya the down pipe is going to have to be mashed in about 1 inch. or the AC is going to have to go." im sorry but that policy is just not feasible.

if the t3t4 is the perfect size then why oesent everysingle comapny build torbo kits with that turbo. the answer is simple. there is no perfect turbo. you have street turbos (small,) and racing turbos (big) the size of the turbo is not what is really important. What is, is sizing the turbo to what you expect out for the car. and you take into some considerations. like all of the air restrictions in the damn car. 50psi does not mean much of anything.

for example if I were to crank up the boost on a stock 2nd gen DSM to say 20psi. Im still trying to blow through a straw.. so the psi is the 'back pressure' of air not getting into the clyinder. so guess what happens when you take this same DSM and P&P the head, build a bigger intake. larger intake valves, and basically reduse all of the restrictions in the intake stream.. instant gain in hp.. but wait. you now notice that the boost level is only at 12psi.
psi means nothing. as do huge turbos that create huge amounts of '#psi' back pressure.

second. how dare you try to say that we photo shoped the damn photos. hell if anyone wants me to e-mail them the large sized photos i will mekersway@yahoo.com . e-mail me and i will send them to you.. and youcan see if they are photo shoped.

I was not trying to bash your company. hell I dont even know who you are. But I can tell everyone one thing. that kit 'sucked' for the reasons that I stated in my earlier post.

FABRICATION. hum this is good and dandy. but it really sounds like you guys are trying to hide the 'bad design' of the kit with saying that you guys will supply this part with all of the new kits. seriously.. if you guys knew that the slave was going to be in the way (like I really dont think you guys did knew) then you probably whould have / should have disclosed it.

now if you want to see how a company should and should not build stuff for a car and if you want to see how a company shoudl act.. you should visit

speedforceracing.com

they dont make honda stuff. they mostly make supra / porsche / skyline stuff,and they do make exelent exhaust and intake piping. and they are probably the best companys that I have ever delt with. they do make custom kits and guess what. EVERY THING BOLTS UP? or they disclose it / fix it. oh wait. let me say that again. 'or they disclose it / fix it.'


oh ya on question for you guys. who has installed a MAXREV turbo kit on a manual transmissioned, a/c ed. car. ??? cause i want to see pictures. and i want to hear a first hand account of a sucessfull install.

also one more question, where did you guys expect to dump the waiste gate to?

and.. was this kit origionally designed for a automatic d17? cause if it was then that would explain alot of the fitment problems.

 
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Sfpower also has different stage kits for their turbos i don't see them missing any parts just cuz its a base kit. What would fitment have to do with missing parts?

 
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I believe the kit was based around and automatic and max rev was not aware of the fitment issues before the kit was released.

 
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ok, time for my 2 cents, not that anyone cares.....first off, i was getting annoyed with catalyst pushin the sf kit all the damn time...but, i now bite my tongue and i apologize to catalyst for being an ***. This is outrageous to say the least. I am not a "turbo jedi"....i do not have the force but I can say that i havnt yet seen anyone dissapointed with the sf kit....the numbers are good, the kit is complete (not "complete when you are done having a mechanic fab you all sorts of ****"). I think we all need to see that there is one thing to get out of this thread and that is to give stafford fab our business as he actually cares about us as consumers. I am a mechanic (not a mod mechanic) but i do know how frustrating it is for things to go wrong that you cant predict...in this case fittment issues that you dont expect.....its frustrating as hell not to mention time consuming.....maybe MaxRev should stick to making the kits for all the other hondas that everyone else is more than satisfied with....
-Kevin

 
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damn man, i used to think the same thing about mike, but i as well am biting my tongue, hell ur awesome guys sf. keep it comming, and for the rest of the turbo fabricaters out there, u guys could learn some things from Stafford Fabrications

 
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Although I have yet to install or receive the kit, I think SF is the way to go!

 
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Keep us updated.

 
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Well, after paying the shipping to send the maxrev kit back to mike at maxrev, he refused it. Sorry sob refuses to make up for his company's mistake. Oh well, his loss. The kit will be coming right back to me. So, he can schedule to have it picked up and he'll pay the shipping this time. Oh well, I have my money back and soon my bank will be pulling the money back from maxrev, so I don't care. But...I strongly recommend that everyone avoid doing business with them.

They've now redesigned their kit....if there was nothing wrong with it in the first place, why was it redesigned? And why is it that it took until I posted this thread for them to decide to redesign it? I think it's because they see negative remarks but they don't care about you as a customer. They care about making money and having a reputation by producing less than acceptable products.

PLEASE DO NOT BUY FROM MAXREV, MIKE IS A SHADY LIAR!!!!
Call Mike at SF Power for a real turbo setup

 
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Dude...If you would have waited and not freaked out on them they would rebuilt a manifold for your so the kit would fit. There kits are fine, they released their kit too soon not knoing that it would hit the slave cylinder. Also stop bashing the company that you went with in the first place over SF. Maybe if you would have stayed calm Mike would be more willing to work with you, instead of having all of this bullshit. I'm sorry you had a bad time with Max-Rev but not everyone will (like me). I also was very angry about a lot of stuff not being included with kit but I talked with Mike and he is taking the kit back to perform all of the stuff I asked him to do. So don't be a child about this incident and bash the company when they tried to work with you.

 
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First of all, kiss my ***. Don't tell me how to act and they tried to work with you, they're a great company, blah blah blah. If you would go back and read what I've posted you would see that he did not try to work with me. As soon as he read my post online, he decided he wasn't going to help me with anything. And you're all about them....you still don't have your kit yet. WTF are you talking about. I am going to laugh my *** of when you get the new parts to the kit because I warned you beforehand and the damned thing still doesn't fit. Don't tell me what companies I can and can't bash. I'll bash whoever the fock I want to. I am not telling you what's what in your thread, am I? Don't try to tell me what's what in mine. You think maxrev is great, I don't. Fine. Keep your praise of them in your own damned thread. I'll keep my negative comments in my own.

 
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Maybe you should re-read what Mike said to you..
"I also told Andy to ship it back at our expense and I would check the kit and correct any problems even replace parts if necessary."
Maybe if you did that you would have gotten a whole new manifold and the parts you said need to be included...But no you freaked and bought SF's kit the next day...