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I thought this thread had moved on from me, did you read the rest of it?

Anyway, doesn't an Evo have 271 horsepower on an all wheel drivetrain at about the same weight? Unless the turbo lag bogs him down, I don't see how he could lose? Anyway, like I said, I don't know much about racing, I just know this has been discussed and I'm not the focus of this thread anymore.

 
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Remember that what Mitsubishi claims for the EVO stock isnt actually what they put down whp wise.

 
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Plus you have to remember that civic is a hell of a lot lighter than that 3000+lbs evo

 
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Very Good point.

 
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...and no need for engine to turn 4 wheels and waste power doing that

 
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"100% finished with: Project "Super 7"

277.7hp@8300, 201.1ft.tq@6165, 91 oct, 6psi
Best time so far: 14.1@100.98mph
I-Vtec do you?
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In your sig you state that you hunt goats...Im sorry but your not fast enough to catch either the 5.7 GTO or the 6.0 GTO right now...
5.7 liter GTO 13.5 1/4
6.0 liter GTO 13.2 1/4

beating the hemi C is realistic..car is 4000LBS and only has 350hp. nice kill

 
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Yeah but just keeping up with one is better than getting smoked by one ... also you got to remember, thats with a good driver lol.

 
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From the dig - yes traction is a problem, and you'll have to agree.
From the the go - it is drivers race, I'll agree on this one.

 
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From the go its not a drivers race... the GTO's have a top speed of 170mph+

Over 100mph the civic would get destroyed no matter what mods it has!

civics cant catch GTO's 1/4 times without slicks and some SERIOUS POWER. SERIOUS POWER means non-street legal civics running insane boost on slicks equiped with either k24's or built fully k20's.

mind you, these are bone stock GTO's. Modified GTO's in anyway easily push them into the 12's and with forced induction 10's! basic pro charger kit runs 4500 and gives you 524whp on stock internals at only 8 psi.

anyways, back to Hemi 300c, nice kill.. Those things only get 14mpg anyways, shitty shitty stuff

 
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LOL you just made me laugh.. do you realize what you just said... TOP speed... You do realize i have no speed limiter, and that the drag coefficiant of my car and the gears i have in my car i have a top speed of 183mph.

I have also seen street legal k-series motor's pushing upwords of 600whp. Which is more than enough to run a GTO anyday. And still manage to get about 24mpg. But anyways im not going to defined my hunting of goats.. I just like to toy with um, even if i "cant beat them" Especailly since i didnt post i hunt crazy sooped up goats. lol. Anyways this was about beating a Hemi C300. so ehh what ever..

 
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I see your point, I just want to clarify several things.
I've ment TransformedBG car vs GTO, and no I did not mean to say top speed race, I ment to say to race to 100 mi/hr, e.g. 1/4 trap speeds.

 
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Waste power turning 4 wheels?
As long as the power's getting to the ground....does it matter?

 
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Either way nice ride!!!

 
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4wd = more drivetrain loss, compare to 2wd.

 
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Either of the GTOs should be an easy race for a 2600lb car making 270whp. His big thing is that he has crappy tires, if he went with 225s it would be no contest. As far as topend goes I would say that he has an even larger advantage over the GTO. I am not sure where people are coming up with this misconception that higher hp=a better topend regardless of the weight. The difference is reduced at higher speeds, but weight is still a huge factor. I just raced an Impala SS the other day with some mods that has walked on 5.7 GTOs. Down low is where it was hard for me to keep up, my launches sucked and he was getting me off of the line but I was pulling him hard in the end. At 100+ it was no contest. Before people begin to spout off uneducated comments go to www.K20a.org and see for yourself what a K in some of these light cars can do.

 
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My friend, the GTO isnt exsactly a heavy car considering the power to weight ratio. I stated that with slicks and running mad horsepower it is possible to match a GTO and or beat one. 225's would not save him from his wheelspin on a front wheel drive car. Very few k20s have gotten in the low 13's, there is a big differnce between a 14 sec car and a low 13 sec car..
100+ a GTO will destroy a civic, any civic for that matter. If you don't believe me just try it and see for yourself. I have never seen a street legal civic hit over 155mph, ever (show me videos!) not possible. I state the top speed for a reason, the GTO's way higher top speed means that at 100mph do to its gearing its still within the strong point of its powerband. While the k20 dies off... and acceleration slows regarless of boost because of gearing.
Im trying to avoid calling you a RICER
but top speed mostly has to do with gearing and drag, weight plays much less a factor than you think, otherwise in lay mans terms the AMG mercedes would be slow beyound 100mph. The RSX transmission is geared low and that combined with fwd, along with body desighn makes it extremely dangerous and unlikely to achieve fast acceleration beyound 100mph in a civic.
www.ls1gto.com

 
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You are saying this like I don't have a K-swap, trust me it is just as fast from 100-130 as it is from 70-100mph. The 5.7 GTO was a 14 flat car, I myself have seen 14.2 with crap tires, crap conditions, crap 60', and my 1st time at the track. If there would have been a 5.7 GTO there I am hard pressed to believe that he would have ran better than 14.4 or so. As far as the 6.0 GTO is concerned I ran one on the street and was hardly impressed.

And as far as Kcars going below low 13s here you go my friend

http://www.k20a.org/forum/showthread.php?t=11598

Now keep in mind that an EM2 weighs in at around 2600lbs

I assure you that with DRs, some cooler air, and a decent track mid 13s could be easily had with my car at only 201whp, think of what 270whp could do. As far as you trying not to call me a ricer, I am not sure what that is about?? But I don't know to many that have done their own Kswaps. You think just because you have a C6 that your **** don't stink, well you are wrong.

Again my statment stands that if he had good tires a new GTO should not be any problem, maybe even **** on your C6.

 
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Yes Ill agree with you there. look i didnt mean to start a debat on if i could or could not beat a GTO. And i realize what you are saying here however you got to think that a 13.2 GTO, is with a good driver *or even one that experinced* but when someone doesnt know how to handle the power that 13.2 car can easily become a 14.2 car. Also, you got to think about the conditions that, that 13.2 was ran at. Was it a hot summer day? or a cold winter night? that will play a HUGE difference in track times. My 14.1 was acchived on a hot and humid 103+ degree night, at a very crappy track, where even if i did have slicks it wouldnt matter. When there are rocks on the track and all over the place, that doesnt help.


You do realize that i am driving a TYPE R transmission with a final drive of 4.73 right? I did a little figues with the GTO Tranny vs mine, and yes top end it COULD have me, however that if its possible to get it over 175 since that is the limiter on it.. But it would be a good race eaither way, and if i decided to swap a tsx 6th gear in my car, i could have a top end of 200mph. *how ever you need 500whp to exceed 200mph*. Although after 4th both the GTO and my Car would loose acceleration power, because we both drop below a 1:1 gearing ratio. And if you have ever seen my dyno chart, im still climbing in HP when i have to shift! lol.


Top speed has to do with the Drag Coefficiant of cars. So im not going to try and say i can go 200mph when i cant. But i have had my car up to 160, and it handles like a champ, thats with out PS eaither, so things get a little funner, and maybe a little bit dangerous, but its all in how you handle it. So i mean I can hunt all the goats i want, if i win or not who cares! I just like them to know that theres a little 4 banger sitting right no his *** if anything. I mean think about you have a "Big Bad V8" and here i am 4 cyclenders sitting right there. You got to be like WTF! how is he still here?

 
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Yeah my car rated by Subaru is 227 hp, but dynoed is around 169.9, but granted I will not spin much off the line and only get a little scratch in 2nd, but I will almost always maintain traction on a track. The lost is significant. I also do not race the Subaru in straight lines. I take it off roading alot and the AWD definately helps that Subarus were made for dirt, not straight lines.

 
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sigh ricer.... you do that and pick a fight with a GTO or a c5 vette for me! make sure you do it for money so he can get some for the waste of gas.
btw I seen 5.7 GTO's run 13.6's and 13.5's I have proof. www.ls1gto.com just read. 14 is the worst that anyone gets.

 
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Do you??? Why then are you posting stupid **** like this??

 
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I have no reason to brag, thats why its not in my post. This thread been distored, just don't make stupid comments!

 
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I have seen 13.7 or so from a stock 5.7, but 13.5 and the track must have been downhill. They have ran way worse than 14s LOL, I have seen it with my own eyes. I have driven a 5.7 GTO and they are a 14 sec car, just like the S2k, or a 350Z

 
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you need to learn math..
lets calculate this! a 6.0 GTO runs 13.2 in the quarter and only has 40 more hp and 20 ft/tq
if you claim a gto runs 14 flat with 350hp and 368 ft tq. That means that 40 hp gain would five you well over 5/10s of a differnce in the 1/4
a;sp go to the forum and read the times. Im not going to waste any more time of what you believe with your own eyes. I personally seen many GTOs in the 13s and very very crappy gto drivers run 14 flat.
HELL the Auto GTO grants you 13.7 every time in the 1/4 all you got to do is press the gas. The stick is faster of course
calculations show it all. Im done arguing. threads about 300c

 
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Best time so far: 14.1@100.98mph

You should be better with 270+ whp.
One of those automotive car magasine editors can get low-mid 13' out of your car as it is.
At the end they were the ones who ran low 13' on the GTO.

And I also think that is perfectly fine with you average Joe running high 13' to low 14' on a GTO.

 
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Mod for Mod.. The GTO will win IMO. Its a V8 with miles of torque in comparison to our cars.

Anyone who is 1/2 way smart will mod their GTO (LS2 or LS1). 12s aren't a hard goal for a car like that... And since those cars are great bang for the buck. A great deal too!