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Well it is finally nice as hell in Toledo so Hotrod and I went for a little drive. We got two good races. Both are with Hotrod in the car as extra weight and as a witness to the events.

1.) stock 7thgen Si. 1 passenger from a dig. I got him by a 1/2 car off of the line and then missed 2nd . However he did not gain anything. I continued to pull until about 85 when I put on the flashers with a good 3 cars on him.

2.)This one I am very confused about; a WRX cut thrrough traffic to catch up to me. We catch a light and Hotrod sticks his hand out the window and signals him to go. At this point I am thinking Hotrod WTF are you getting me into . I look over and it is a nice dressed younger guy so I say to hotrod "he is not going to go he is wearing a sweater." Well I launch I am not sure if he did our not becuase that is were I would have expected to get owned. Well we get up to around 90 and I have about 2 cars . So I know that he was trying if not he would never have gone that fast. My other thought is that he was just messing around which is a good possibility, but why wouldn't he just beat me by a little bit. I felt like following him and asking him at a light.

 
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Haha congrats on both kills... Or at least the first one for sure. The WRX was probably screwing around although I guess it is a possibilty he just can't drive.

 
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^^^I would think that my 8yr old sister could beat me with that car though. Unless it was a auto with cement blocks in the trunk.

 
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maybe it wasn't a WRX, just a rebadged rs. even then, who knows. either way i dont think the guy was racing at all.

as for the 7th gen Si, he must not be able to drive. yeah a great driver in an ex can take a not so great driver in an Si, but not when you miss a gear.

 
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I don't know a stock 7th gen Si dynos at around 137whp and weighs more than a ex. As I keep claiming (no dynos yet), I bet that my civic is around 130whp so It would be about right (except for the fact that I had a passenger). I did not miss really bad I got into second slower but not by much and my car was faster for sure becuase Hotrod said that I pulled the entire way (I was watching the road he was watching the race).

As for the WRX it may have been rebadged I am not to sure what happened there. I have been in enough races to tell when I am racing and for what it is worth I am 98% sure that he was trying. I don't think that he launched though

 
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yeah that 7thgen si was racing. i dont know how good a driver he was but i was watching him the whole time. i saw every gear he made. off the line bgoetz had about a car, then he slowly pulled in 2nd to about a car and a half to two cars. then the si slowly creeped up maybe a meter. once he went into his 4th gear i think not sure, he fell behind.
AS FOR THE WRX. i dont know what the hell that was all about. the guy was 2-3 cars behind upto even 90 mph. i dont know why he wouldnt just pull ahead and be done with it. i know if i were in a WRX i'm not gonna let some civic beat me unless it really, actually.....lost. i dunno though. not sure if it was an automatic, might have been.
keep in mind bgoetz's mods for future reference
aem sri
dc headers
skunk2 exhaust
exeddy clutch
prolite flywheel and did his own 5 speed swap
also has a short shift adapter and minor weight reduction.
however my fat a$$ was in the passenger seat for the races.

 
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^^^^You forgot the engine mount inserts and ground wires LOL

 
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bgoetz, quit talking about your horsepower and your weight. you are starting to sound like those ford guys in that other thread. if you're going to bench race, then you have to do it the right way. taking your gearing, torque, weight, and wheel circumference into consideration, and then looking at your power band.

your peak hp and weight won't give you any clue how well you'll do against the civic Si.

plus you're not making anywhere near 130whp. you have i/h/e and that's it as far as i can see for performance mods. that's going to get you about 120whp maybe. and even then, peak hp and peak torque mean nothing.

where the Si has you beat is gearing and power band.

a stock ex vs a stock Si is a close enough race that a bad driver in an Si can lose to a good driver in the ex. but your i/h/e isn't going to be enough to overcome the difference that is there.

the guy sucked at driving.


and the wrx wasn't trying. i'm 98% sure of that. or it wasn't a wrx.

 
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I'm calling BS.

bgoetz, you make yourself seem liek your driving skills can take out a S2000 or something. until i see some time slips of you running your civic at the track with some amazing number you'll sound like just another ricer exadurating race stories in your civic.

 
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the Si might have been trying, but if he wasn't pulling, then he was probably short shifting. (in other words, shifting well before redline) that's often what a poor driver does. same could be said for the wrx, but even then, a high 15 second civic is no match for a 14.1 wrx, launch or no launch.

SRI
Header
exhaust. these are his performance mods. he's maybe 120whp.

clutch. does nothing to add power or make you faster.
prolite flywheel. again, does nothing to add power or make you faster.
short shift adapter. again, nothing to add power or make you faster.
weight reduction. minor equals minimal equals really doesn't do much.
your fat ***. if you weigh 400 pounds, he should tell you to gtfo first next time.

 
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settle down kid.....this is the track/street/strip forum....its the whole point of this forum is to post track/STREET/strip stories. jeezus........

 
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true the sri, header and exhaust are performance upgrades
doesnt that flywheel put more power to the ground though? Thats less rotational weight on the crank, thus less power needed to turn it? i was always under that impression.

 
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no. the less rotational mass allows the flywheel to spin up a little quicker, giving you a bit better throttle response. this is NOT giving you more hp or making you faster. simply gives you better throttle response when you are using the gas in situations like road racing that require suttlety rather than just mashing the gas to go fast in a straight line.


as for less rotational weight, so it doesn't take as much to turn it.... you're talking about a few pounds in an entire unit (clutch, flywheel, layshaft, crank, wheels, etc) that requires an immense amount of force and torque to rotate as it is. lightening the flywheel a couple pounds isn't going to matter one bit. you might as well spit at a volcano.

 
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doesn't give you more power to the ground.....just frees up what is there. It allows you to rev faster.

 
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I have never once said that I was a good driver. Second I had another member in the seat next to me so I am not BSing. Third if you knew me then you would know that any of your comments or thoughts could not be further from the truth.

 
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keep wasting time typing up stories that arnt true... i ask for some evidence of this incredible driving skill and you try to divert attention by saying "settle down kid."

 
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if u dont think its true, then dont read the damn thread. i'm not gonna waste my time posting something that is b/s. i'm posting what i saw. its something for u to ponder and be entertained by.

 
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let's not let this get out of hand.

bgoetz, i already explained to you why the story doesn't fit. i'm not saying you and the other guy are lying, but you should realize that the WRX was not a race. as for the civic Si sure you can beat one, but that doesn't mean you're faster or that that is the norm. as i already said, he was probably short shifting as many poor drivers do. (i've seen guys race their S2000's and shift at 7000rpm)

 
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And S2000 I only mentioned #s because you made it sound like a stock Si is way faster than a stock ex when in reality this is not true. Looking over that Si forum that had the thread with all of the times (you know the one that I am talking about) people were running anywhere from mid 15s to low 16s with a stock Si a stock civic has never seen a mid 15, but it has seen high 15s. So there is not that big of a difference with my mods I would say that I am as fast or faster than a Si. And with my mods I am around 130hp that is only saying that I gained 13-15whp it is not like I am saying 25whp.

And the issue of the driver yeah maybe he was not a good driver, but is that not what a race is about. If this is not the case then we should all just pull over to the side of the road compare #s and bench race it would be safer and legal. The fact is that I had a extra 150lbs, missed a gear and pulled the Si.

I really don't understand why people are trying to discredit my wins by saying bad driver and such when I had a member with me who saw the entire thing. As far as saying well they were not racing I could say that about any of your wins S2000 becuase do you ever really know??

 
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please post dyno of your 13-15 whp gain... also take it to the track and run high 15s and post slips of that also. please prove me wrong..

 
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I don't have that great of a driving skill LOL. If you ever met me you would retract all of you comments becuase I am very honest, very intelligent, and have alot of dignity I am not going bullshit people. I can't hold this against you because all you can do is read what is infront of you and interprit what you see. SO if you think I am some stupid ricer that has no clue, and lives my day to lie on the internet (like the SRT4 wana be that Hotrod and I saw today) then that is cool to no hard feelings

 
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there was a dyno of a ex with less mods than I have that was getting 125 to the ground. I think I am being very realistic as far as a dyno I don't see the need to pay $85 when it is not going to help me go faster in anyway. Maybe if I was trying to tune it or somthing I would. I am going to go to the track this summer and I will post the slips regaurdless. But that still will not change the events that took place today.

 
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yes but this is where it's tricky. look at the trap speeds. the civic ex's that run high 15's are trapping in the 81-83mph area. The ep hatches that run high 15's trap in the 87-88mph area. that's a huge difference in trap speed.

this means that even though you might run a faster time, that ep hatch is pulling on you. and since the last thread involving ep hatches, i have founds some ep hatches hitting 15.5 stock. that's .3 seconds faster than our fastest stock EX.
and guestimating you're making 120whp, IF you could hit a 15.9-16.0 stock, then you'd be at 15.8 or maybe 15.7 with a strong following wind. Even then, your trap will maybe increase from 82 to 84mph. which is still well short of the ep hatch at 88.

this means that even if you are going faster, IF THE OTHER GUY ISNT SHORT SHIFTING, he will pull, whether he sucks at driving or not.
First, the fact that you missed a gear alone says the guy sucks. Ever missed a gear at the track? congrats... you just added .5 seconds to your 1/4 mile time, and dropped your trap speed a good 6-8mph.

and if you pulled, he was short shifting.

no one is trying to discredit your race. You're making it sound like I'm attacking you personally and I'm not. But there is a reality to each story, regardless of who wins. I've won races I shouldn't have, and I tell the story, but I certainly know my place and don't claim to be faster when I'm not. As for the WRX, he wasn't racing. at all. at any point. i have a video of me and a WRX from a roll. that will show you how fast a WRX still is even if it doesn't launch. and it's a hell of a lot faster than a civic.

again i'm not trying to discount your story. but again, you need to know what's normal and what isn't.

 
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S2000 doesnt think you beat an SI, but he does think a "NA" (keyword) dx civic ran a 15.1 Also you have more mods than Redline04, Very hypicritcal if you ask me

 
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no actually he had more mods. he had CAI, header, exhaust, and midpipe.

 
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lets just throw this up in the air..........the WRX being an AUTO? well....if it were an AUTO..couldnt it be feesable that it lost?

 
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first off, read my damn posts. not once did i ever say he DIDNT beat the Si.

dude.... i have my limits, and you're starting to push it. this has absolutely NOTHING to do with this thread, so I will address it once and let it be done.

a civic ex with i/h/e is going to be a 15.6 car at BEST trapping at 84mph is NOT A FASTER CAR than the Si running 15.5 and trapping 88mph. even the Si's that run 15.9 still trap 87mph.

this means that even if bgoetz were to run a faster time than him, the Si would be pulling on him. where the Si loses is in shifting. hence my reasoning saying the Si driver was short shifting.

bgoetz has nowhere NEAR the modifications to his car that redline04 has.

 
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even the auto WRX is capable of 14.5. so, no.

 
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^^^ (oops go up like 5 threds) lol The thing is I do, and I even acknowleged that when I first posted it. I have a great concept of how fast my civic is and never claimed anything else. I really don't think that those trap speeds are correct, becuase hotrod and I have timed 15.5 sec runs to the tee and I am always between 83-85 at 15.5 secs and that is with him in the car so without I would say that would be 86-88 at 15.5 sec. I originally thought that this method was inaccurate, but it is so consitent that it can't be. Oh yeah theses times are on flat roads not down hill runs LOL.

I know that you are not personally attacking me I just wish that you would give me a little credit that I am not a compleate jacka$$ I am very intelligent and not some dumb kid. As far as the WRX all I know is that I am not going to make it "look" as if I am racing and risk getting nailed by the police for racing and doing 90 in a 50. I would either race or not plain and simple, but that is just me and we will never really know what the hell happened (damn I will be up all night wondering JK LOL). But I will be the only NA 7th gen that has a WRX as a Kill LOL. What can I say, but he should not have made it seem as if we were racing and I went 90 in a 50 were cops love to sit so I should atleast get a kill out of it. LOL

 
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some time slips and a dyno sheet would put this convo to an end. but since you dont have either one S2Kman is right... prove him wrong with some facts instead of some #s you're pulling out of the air