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please post dyno or track slips k thanks.

 
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What??? He has a DX..... that is a good amount of hp just the ex to dx difference. I have a clutch flywheel that do make you car faster (and yes a clutch does to because it is slightly lighter than stock thus reducing rotaitonal mass more). I have engine mount inserts that help me get it to the ground to launch better (and yes it helps alot). I have done some very minor weight reduction (no were near enough to offset hotrod though. The bigest thing that he had was the DRs

 
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hey its possible to beat a subaru turbo. I beat the turbo outback subaru. I'm not sure if its turbo or not but I know its like 250 hp. Anyone heard of the outback? I raced one from a ditch about twice to 80 mph in the streets. The guy had about maybe 4-5 passangers in his car and was ****ing with me. I was alone. All his passangers were ******* me including the driver so I went for it. He thought my coffee can exhaust wasnt pulling ****. I downshifted to second so he downshifts and catches up, by third I sprayed on him and pulled deeply on him. He had to make a right cuz that was where he was going but he swayed in to my lane tail gating my ***. Next thing you know he follows me so I go slowly trying to race him again. I see his passangers laughin the **** out of me. We were at a light and the bitch revs at me like a ****. So I click the switch and he knew cuz he told me your cheating I ignored him. We took off as soon as the green light came on and I flew by him like nothing. Next thing you know, his laughin passangers and the driver leaves cuz he couldnt take me. So, its possible that si couldve tooken that wrx/

 
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actually it's consistently inaccurate, which is why you think it's accurate.

sorry but a trap speed on a track is going to be accurate and proven. your stop watch method is extremely inaccurate, and sorry, but no your trap speed will not be 85mph. maybe 84 with your mods, but that's on your FASTEST run.


your WRX "kill" was not a kill. to list is as one is going to throw you into the "ricer" category. you should stop using a stopwatch to time yourself too, cuz that's going to get you called "ricer" as well. you can't time yourself with a stop watch. you're talking mere tenths of a second in measuring your 1/4 mile. the person who "stops" your stop watch is off too, because you have to factor in human reaction time too. (average human reaction time is .5 seconds.... it's no coincidence that the light tree at a track measure a redlight at less than .500 seconds. hence cutting a perfect light is perfect reaction at .500 seconds)

 
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what is there to be right about??? I simply posted the fact that I won a couple of races (good drivers, bad drivers, stupid drivers fake racing does not matter). The thing is I had a witness.

Oh sorry guys it is ALL ONE BIG LIE....... I am not a 23 year old male with a degree I am a 50 yr old male in a minimum security prison. Hotrod is my cell mate that I use to colaborate my fictional stories. I obviously don't have a civic in fact the last time that I drove was in 1975 before I got busted for bringing cocaine across the mexican border. Sorry to disapoint you guys. Did I mention that I use to be a **** star

 
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You don't stop the stop watch you look at the time right at 15.5 seconds. And lets not talk accuracy because you seem to forget that I am a Scientist accuracy is a big part of my profession. This method is accurate + or - 1 mph for the given road conditions.....end of discussion on this issue

 
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believe me s2kman, if there was a track nearby the 'stopwatch' method would NOT be used. but we live in an area where modded cars arent as big as in some other areas of the country. there isnt a track within a good 50 miles of here. i'm not even sure if the ones close by are even public. the stopwatch method at least gives us an idea of whats going on. in no way is it accurate to the .01 second but it'll have to do since we have a lack of other resources.

 
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dude, i am trying to help you, and every time i think i'm getting through to you, you turn the gun on yourself and go "boom".

a flywheel does NOT make you faster. a clutch does NOT make you faster. did you just completely ignore my entire post before? you're talking shaving off 5lbs of weight in an entire unit that requires so much a massive amount of torque and power to turn, that shaving 5 lbs is like spitting at a volcano to try and stop it from erupting.

the ENTIRE POINT of a flywheel is to give you better throttle response, which won't make you faster.

engine mount inserts do not help you launch better. they eliminate driveline deflection which helps in higher hp/torque applications to keep a few more hp to the ground. however, in your civic making 120whp, they will do nothing. again... spitting at a volcano.

 
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wow...... i can't even begin to tell you how wrong you are. and "look" at the stop watch to "see" 15.5 seconds go by.... the human eye can't even see every 10th of a second go by when watching on stop watch.

your method is inaccurate. extremely inaccurate.

 
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but that's the problem. you can't use the stopwatch method at all. it's so incredibly inaccurate it's not even funny. unfortunately all it does is make you look like ricers. aye guys, at best you'll get a general "idea" of where you are. but you're talking +/- .4 seconds off AT BEST.

and dont even give me the whole crap about your trap speed. that you can't even do, since your factory speedo is roughly 2-3% faster than your actual speed anyways.

 
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bgoetz... Please take your super Civic to the track and get it dyno'ed. In every thread you post regarding your car, you quote specs that AREN'T FROM YOUR CAR.

You bring your Motor Trend and i'll bring my Car and Driver... lets do some bench racing!

 
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Ok You take a watch and set the timer for 15.5 sec so the watch stops at that moment. It involves no eyeing at all. You look at the speedo and see were it is at when the watch stops. A civic speedo does not go that fast if you miss by a tenth then it is maybe 1mph. As far as the speedo being off that is funny becuase everytime I go by a sign with the speed it matches perfectly. I am going to use that excuse the next time I get pulled over sorry buy my speedo was off. And lst I check a stop watch is used for many sporting events and practices and is considered to be very accurate.

 
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o wow, i just read that they use a stop watch to get quater mile times....

we should get ready for a server overload when this thread makes it to other car forums ....

 
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I wish you could have launched my car before I put them in the amont of wheel hop on a 3k launch was insane. There is a difference.

 
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What is so scary about going to the track? Afraid to run a slow time? Put the stopwatch away and take a trip to the track.

A stopwatch doesn't give very good horsepower and torque numbers either....

Until you have some verifiable and standardized numbers for your car, don't post them or make claims you can't back up.

Now.... back to my new 500hp issue of Car and Driver.

 
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I in no way said 1/4 miles. All that I said is that a civic speedo moves so slow that a 15.5 sec timer and a eye you can tell what speed the speedo is reading at 15.5 sec + or - 1mph. The speedo is simply not that fast. And what do you people think that they use back in the day for 1/4 miles

 
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THERE ARE NO TRACKS NEAR TOLEDO OHIO

 
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what do you mean set it for 15.5 seconds? you dont set a watch and then look at your speedo. reaction time alone from the moment you "see" 15.5 to the moment you check the speedo, another .5 seconds has elapsed.

not to mention the fact that a 1/4 mile is measured by distance. you dont go 'well i go 15.5 in the 1/4 mile, so lets time that and see how fast im going'. i can't even argue this point with you any more.

YOU DO NOT USE A STOP WATCH TO TIME YOURSELF IN THE 1/4 MILE OR TRAP SPEED BECAUSE IT WILL NEVER BE ACCURATE!!!!!!


and like it or not, your speedo is off by 2-3%. manufacturer's do this on purpose.

 
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I am going to go to the track, and I don't care what time I run. It is not that big of a deal to me and will not change the events that took place today

 
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i know... i've been waiting for it. makes a moderator's job a PITA.

 
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^^^^the thing is I never said anything about 1/4 mile I said speed at 15.5 sec and no the reaction time of hotrods eye watching the speedo would be around .10 of a sec. How do you think we can hit a baseball or duck a punch. If it were .5 sec we could never do any of these things

 
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getting back to the original story. i'm not saying you didn't beat an ep hatch. but you need to understand that's not normal. dont go around claiming you're faster than an ep hatch cuz you're not. given equal drivers, it's ep hatch all day.

and the wrx wasn't racing. that wasn't a race. he could have been messing with you. even i've done that. messed around with some tool in a car trying to race, and either i dont get a chance to race him again and show him what it's really like if i race, or i dont want to bother wasting the gas, and would rather laugh at a "intrepid beats S2000" story that shows up on the internet.

 
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You know the whole thing is Hotrod and I went out and had a good time and ran 2 races to the best of or knowledge. I myself know it is all true and that we both not some stupid ricers. I thought that I could post two races without people going crazy and flaming me because I had another member in the car with me..........But I was wrong and now we are way off topic so S2k could you please just close this fvcking thread it is useless.

Thanks to those 1 or 2 that said good things

 
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^^^^fine keep it open if we can stay on topic, but anymore off topic bullshit like I want you to take your car to the track/dyno or anything else then just lock it becuase it is stupid

 
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the WRX may have been rebadged I will give you that much, but I really think he was racing we were going 90 in a 50 not many people would go to the extent to screw around

 
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Whats wrong with asking someone to back up what they claim?

 
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it's called anticipation. do you realize how fast 5 tenths of a second is? faster than a thrown punch or a 100mph fastball.

it takes about .3 seconds for the human eye to blink. pretty fast isn't it.

 
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I had another member in the car with me is this not enough??????

 
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no thats not. i could have my gf post that i owned a viper to back up some made up story that i fabricated. the fact remains that you have no time slips you have no dyno numbers and you keep puliing 130 outa your butt. on top of that you keep posting things that could happen but would be rare like you saying you could take on a turboed civic. i could see one story of you taking on something that would be a hard thing to beet but not story after story.

 
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I am telling you the only reaction time to look at is the image on the speedo through the humman eye and to hotrods brain. This time is going to be about .10 of a second. Look at the reaction time of a drag car. This time is eye to brain to foot. The stop watch method is in no way accurate to determine a 1/4 mile, but a rough estimate of your speed at 15.5 seconds it is not to bad. The fact that it is consistent should prove it we have done it around 10 times with a range of 3 or so mph if it were not accurate then there would be outliers that were way high or way low. The thing that makes it not to bad is how slow the speedo moves at 80+ I bet around 1-2 mph every .10 sec it is not to hard to pin point the location