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the other guys in Si's need to learn to drive.

A stock 6th gen Si is capable of 15.3 in the 1/4 mile. With i/h/e it can hit 14.7-14.8

A stock 7th gen Si is about a 15.7 at best, and 15.2 with i/h/e.

 
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^^ did you just say that your stock 94 DX was faster than your stock 03 ex?

 
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i serously dont think anyone know how to drive the new si

 
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Yes I did. Think about it, the DX has:
350lb's lighter
no power loss to A/C or P/S
only 22 hp less, but better gearing and smaller tires

'03 EX has:
350 lb's more
A/C and power steering loss
2 cats
22 hp more, but 3 inch bigger tires (heavier) and taller gearing

of course, I didn't bother taking a '94 civic DX stock to the track, so all I have is one those stupid G-tech things that say the DX was 0.2 seconds quicker at 16.2 and the EX was at 16.4, but my butt dyno is in agreement.

Final conclusion: both cars are still slow.

 
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lol

 
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you're right. everyone who has ever ran the 1/4 mile and posted 100+ timeslips on ephatch.com can't drive, because they can't get the 7th gen Si better than a 15.7 in the 1/4 mile sotck. but you are able to magically get it to be as fast as a 6th gen Si that can run 15.3.

 
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a 7th gen EX can run 15.8 at the absolute best.

you're looking at all those things, yet ignoring the greatest factor of all. GEARING

a 94 dx is not as fast as a 7th gen ex

 
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^

 
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for your viewing pleasure 02 dx vs 95 ex w/cai

right click, save as

 
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damn..close race

 
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Like I siad it was one of those Tesla G-Tech things, I wouldn't trust it's timing. I do believe I mentioned gearing in my post, right? If you really want to talk about gearing, what will give you better gearing on the tire (becasue that count to, right? Which is better: a 13 inch rim where the tire is about 22 inchs or a 15 inch rim the tire diameter is 24.5 inchs? For once, smaller is better.

And you don't think 350 lb's makes difference? There is a rule of thumb when racing old muscle cars (and yes I know civic's aren't muscle cars, but the theory is the same) 300 lb's = 1 second in the quarter mile, point is 350 lbs is a huge wieght advantage.

If oyu don't believe me, fine. It's not like either of these cars is setting world paces here

 
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300lbs = 1 sec?? thats a lot of time...i doubt 300lbs makes that much difference

 
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On muscle cars... a bit dated yes, but remember these cars where 4,000+ lb cars

 
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yeah but if ur talkin vics, then 300lbs isnt gonna be near 1 second

 
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Wrong years though,

2002 Dx wieghs in at 2400 lbs while the '95 Ex weighs 2443 lbs, 40+ lb weight advantage, woopy

Not to mention as you already pointed out, gearing. '02 DX tire diameter = 24.3, '95 EX tire diameter 24.3, agian no edge.

So in that video, the DX has no advantage over the EX, and how much did it win by? Now you are telling me that 350 lbs and 2 inch tire difference doesn't mean anything?

 
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the tiring would make a difference, but the gearin in a 7th gen ex is far more agressive than a 94 dx.


lol 300 pounds does not take a second off your 1/4 mile. at best you'll get about .2-.3 seconds off your 1/4 mile by reducing 300 pounds.


bottom line is you can look at the number obtained by the better/best drivers. a 7th gen ex can hit high 15's stock, where a 94 dx cannot.

granted the cars are similarly close, but there is definitely an advantage due to gearing mostly, with the 7th gen civic. you can even see in the video i posted. he beat me off the line and the launch, but i reeled him in and passed him pretty good with 3rd gear.

 
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Speak for yourself

My car aint slow and my car is definately faster than any old as* stock 94 DX. BTW Older cars lost a lot more HP to the the Wheel than newer cars do.

Gearing isn't only the final drive ratio buddy. Newer ACs don't work like older ACs there much more efficient.

Cars are heavier no doubt(CD player Heated mirrors, moonrooof....), but car manufacturers compensate with technology. Put the D17A2 in an old hatch it will be a pocket rocket no doubt.

 
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Lets all go buy some echo hatchbacks

 
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Yeah, but you get the point that 350 lb's is a lot when it comes to racing and any sort of performance if the engines are in the same nieghboor hood of power production.

 
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If your racing you can easily strip the same luxuries of the coupe that the older car doesn't come with and the weights wont be too diff. Now the 7th gen will have an independent multi link rear suspension. keep the 127 hp engine. remove the electric locks, sunroof, and AC. You my friend have a light car.

 
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Slow is relative. to me 15.6 is slow. 13's is quick and 10's are fast. And I am only talking about stock civic's here. Yes I know the final drive ratio isn't the only thing involed in gearing, but tire diameter is all I have to work off unless I want to really dig for the actuall gears, and to me, this arguement isn't that important, mainly becasue I don't own either of those cars anymore. (what civic did you have that heated mirrors? my Accord EX doesn't even have that! I miss heated mirrors in Ohio...)

All right I'll say this once more, please listen clearly. I never took either of these cars to the 1/4 mile track in stock form. Reason: I don't really care to waste money on running a stock civic when many people before me have done it. I am speaking only from the acuarcy of my rear end dyno and a Tusla thingy that I reall don't trust nearly as much as my own sences. But, I admit my butt dyno is in need of some calibration. I THINK (IN MY OPINION) the '94 DX is equal or a hair faster than my '03 EX. If you think otherwise, good for you, we all have opinions. Personally, I could make a Camaro faster with alot less money, if all I wanted to do was go striaght. But I don't, I like to have the ability to turn, and it takes lots of money to make a Camaro turn like a Civic. So in the end we all have our own opinions.

 
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The Civic Can Never Loose!!

But seriously speaking if you haven't raced the cars and don't have actual 1/4 miles times, there is no way you can feel one car is faster by .2 seconds. . Anyhow I can go on but........you get the picture. Maybe your 94 dx is noisier and more nervous so it feels faster.

If you sit in an 00 si, the darn thing is ridiculous noisy and nervous and gives you that good adrenaline feeling. In terms of feeling 6th gen si > 7th gen si.

 
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Yes you do, and in that case I would certianly give it to the EX that was stripped.

 
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13 seconds is just quick. dayum(you must fly fighter jets or something for a living)! So I guess Ferraris from a few years ago, STI, are just quick. Anyhow if there quick then my civic is pretty slow.

 
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I won't deny that one bit, the car was very scary.

 
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Did I ever say I could run a 15.3? No...I said I stayed dead even with a 01 si with intake which I'm sure doesn't run 15.3.... And there's no possible way that I could run with a 05 si with i./h/e All I'm tellin you is what I know and have seen u can think whatever u want but if someone can tell me how to hosta vid then ill show u

 
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Yes, a '70 chevelle SS with a fuel inject 502 with a supercharger. Scared the crap out me to.

 
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if you full throttle will car just twist and go sideways?

 
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care to explain yourself then? you said you ran against 3 6th gen Si's, but now change your story to say you stayed dead even with an 01 Si.

 
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There was frame supports on it. If you went full throttle from the line, you would just spin the rear tires. You had to go about half throttle then slowly go to full throtle to the end of the gear, then switch gears and go about 3/4 throtle and so on. Note: I never got the car to run 10 seconds, I can't handle that much power, but the guy that built it(Don Garlits) did, he gave me ride with what he called a good ten second run. But he's ran the quarter in 7 seconds, so he knows how to drive fast .