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Originally Posted by aznboysrfr
btw ... when you edited your post about the sig ... that other member's 16.9 isn't stock. he had a catback, no cat and suspension. stock is when there are NO mods whatsoever ... including suspension and lowering tire pressure .... because low tire pressure isn't stock.
when magazines conduct 1/4 mile runs, they do not lower pressure or install stiff coilovers
when magazines conduct 1/4 mile runs, they do not lower pressure or install stiff coilovers
I said my best STOCK time was 17.0 flat.
Lower tire pressure than stock?WTF?What is the stock tire pressure in
all civics then smartass?
Yor are coming up with more bs to justify what you say.Just shut up and I won't disike you anymore than before.
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Originally Posted by aznboysrfr
btw ... when you edited your post about the sig ... that other member's 16.9 isn't stock. he had a catback, no cat and suspension. stock is when there are NO mods whatsoever ... including suspension and lowering tire pressure .... because low tire pressure isn't stock.
when magazines conduct 1/4 mile runs, they do not lower pressure or install stiff coilovers
when magazines conduct 1/4 mile runs, they do not lower pressure or install stiff coilovers
They usually don't 'drive' the autos either.Believe it or not,some people actuelly know how to race an automatic.I believe JX6 is a good example.Either his car is faster then yours and/or most likely, he is a better driver than you are. I'm really not sure a suspension mod will help your eta.BTW: who is that fruity looking dude in your avatar and why is that female letting him get near her?
Originally Posted by Mega Man X
They usually don't 'drive' the autos either.Believe it or not,some people actuelly know how to race an automatic.I believe JX6 is a good example.Either his car is faster then yours and/or most likely, he is a better driver than you are. I'm really not sure a suspension mod will help your eta.BTW: who is that fruity looking dude in your avatar and why is that female letting him get near her?
suspension mod will not add horsepower, but it will help with traction. ask boilermaker, zzyxz or any of the autocross guys.
the guy is me. the girl is my girlfriend, aka PonyChick
Originally Posted by JX6
I said my best STOCK time was 17.0 flat.
Lower tire pressure than stock?WTF?What is the stock tire pressure in
all civics then smartass?
Yor are coming up with more bs to justify what you say.Just shut up and I won't disike you anymore than before.
Lower tire pressure than stock?WTF?What is the stock tire pressure in
all civics then smartass?
Yor are coming up with more bs to justify what you say.Just shut up and I won't disike you anymore than before.
how am I coming up with more bs? NOTHING I say is made up and if I am wrong about something, I amend myself. I don't care if you dislike me ... dislike me all you want. you're just another idiot forum member
Originally Posted by ricergribbs
ok lets work backwards here, u started the argument by trying to offend me by making fun of my car, so dont try to push it off on me. u should show respect for other ppls accomplishments so dont even start with me not being respectful. u contradict urself by saying that "Nope, it doesn't mean I'm smarter than others", then u say "the smarter people of this forum have already been banned. Not surprisingly, I've already been banned once" so that implies that ur one of the smarter ppl. not sure if u were going for that, but thats how it came out. then u say ur statement of 16.9 is pathetic wasnt to put ppl down but instead to make them realize its slow. yet, once again i have to state this, ppl were saying thats good for an automatic civic, no one ever said its some sort of super fast beat all time. so whats the point of saying it if not to put ppls accomplishments down? to point it out to them? i think they know its slow without have u come in and say it in harsh words. sry i exagerated a bit. u didnt contradict urself 10 times, but a few.
now onto ur gsr argument. yes, if u race a mid-high 14 second car u will lose, but it wont be as bad in the 16.9 auto civic as in the 18 flat civic. or even lets say the mid-15 civic. sure ull lose, but ull also impress the guy because u kept up pretty well. i mean whats the point of modding a car u can use this argument for anything. what if i pull up next to an NHRA top-fuel car at a stop light? he runs 4's, and lets say i have a nissan skyline that runs 10's. my cars fast as hell, but hes twice as fast as i am, so it really doesnt matter does it?
i can see from ur first statement that youre obviously missing my point. im saying that 12's are fast, but they arent all that fast. theres muscle cars that run 7's even, yet the ppl who drive these cars are impressed by this van. y? because some guy took a 20 second van and made it a 12 second car. sure this is a little more extreme then turning an 18 second civic into a 16.9 civic, but still its the same basic thing.
oh and actually yes i do like the term "dumbass". its my new favorite one for ppl i argue with.
now onto ur gsr argument. yes, if u race a mid-high 14 second car u will lose, but it wont be as bad in the 16.9 auto civic as in the 18 flat civic. or even lets say the mid-15 civic. sure ull lose, but ull also impress the guy because u kept up pretty well. i mean whats the point of modding a car u can use this argument for anything. what if i pull up next to an NHRA top-fuel car at a stop light? he runs 4's, and lets say i have a nissan skyline that runs 10's. my cars fast as hell, but hes twice as fast as i am, so it really doesnt matter does it?
i can see from ur first statement that youre obviously missing my point. im saying that 12's are fast, but they arent all that fast. theres muscle cars that run 7's even, yet the ppl who drive these cars are impressed by this van. y? because some guy took a 20 second van and made it a 12 second car. sure this is a little more extreme then turning an 18 second civic into a 16.9 civic, but still its the same basic thing.
oh and actually yes i do like the term "dumbass". its my new favorite one for ppl i argue with.
As far as my statements "Nope, that doesn't mean I'm smarter than others" was an answer to your statement of me being older than you are. I was agreeing to the fact that my age is not a concrete method of determining a person's intelligence, but it also is a known fact that the average older person is wiser than the average person who is younger. Again here, I'm not implying anything, just stating information. As far as people who have been banned, let me add an amendment. The more logical thinkers of this forum seem to not want to engage in an argument of something so trivial, however I find enjoyment in doing so. Thus, it is the case that I am not afraid to point out faults and convince the people of realities of their words. Let's take an example. To those who are proud of running a high 16 second 1/4 mile ... post your accomplishments on honda-tech and we shall wait for a reply. We will see how many positive reponses they have to offer. Actually it does not have to be a honda forum ... post in stangnet.com, srtforums.com, clubrsx.com, skylineowners.com, k20a.org, k-series.com or any other reputible forum and I guarantee their apathetic or beligerent responses calling you a ricer. Remember, I'm pointing out the reality.
As far as my "harsh words" go. Yes, they were harsh. However, that is the nature of constructive criticism. The idea of my posts were not to congratulate them on running a poor time, but were to motivate them for something better in a firm manner. I would love to see more engine swaps in 7thgen's and my motive for these kinds of posts are to bring motivation into members. Let's give a hypothetical example of a situation from my standpoint. I tell Member X that his car ran a great time and he goes out to buy an intake and improves his time. Done. I tell Member X that his car ran a horrible time and that his car sucks, he then gets angry and purchases a turbo kit. Done. This is how I see things to work out. Now I don't care if you don't care how I think. I think CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM is a good tool.
Ok. I'm giving a realistic situation here. A 4 second drag car is not going to pull up to a 10 second Skyline on the street. TRUE, that a 10 second Supra may give props to an 11 second n/a GSR ... HOWEVER, when your car runs a 16.9 and you are against a mid 15 second Civic, I doubt anybody will care (unless you are of the same type of car ... ie. auto 7thgen) what you have, they will laugh at you. mid 15 and a 16.9 ... there is a 1.4 second difference in that and even one second in a 1/4 mile is an eternity. They are not going to care.
I am missing the point? Please clarify then, rather than insult me. How am I suppose to know what the argument is if I am not understanding? I have clarified all of my arguments upon request. Correct, 12 second cars are fast, but you have to realize that if you have a 12 second Civic (for example), people are going to respect the work you have put into your car, no matter what you have... and by people, I mean most car enthusiasts. If you tell a domestic-fan that you have a 16.9 second civic, think about that and tell me what you think he will say.
7 second muscle cars? There is no disrespect to any sort of car once it reaches a certain speed. Let's give Average Joe an S2000 with i/h/e that runs mid 13's. I bet that you could give less of a **** about Honda Insights, correct? As you may or may not know, there is an n/a K20a powered Insight that runs 10's. If that car came across Avg Joe, I guarantee you that Joe will respect the Insight.
Originally Posted by JX6
I have a fast N/A automatic.
You are pretty sad for calling your g/f to have your back.
End of discussion.
You are pretty sad for calling your g/f to have your back.
End of discussion.
why am I sad for calling my gf into this? she's not arguing first of all and 2nd, you guys involved her
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Originally Posted by aznboysrfr
correction. You started the argument with Post #24 by methods of implied retaliation for JX6.
As far as my statements "Nope, that doesn't mean I'm smarter than others" was an answer to your statement of me being older than you are. I was agreeing to the fact that my age is not a concrete method of determining a person's intelligence, but it also is a known fact that the average older person is wiser than the average person who is younger. Again here, I'm not implying anything, just stating information. As far as people who have been banned, let me add an amendment. The more logical thinkers of this forum seem to not want to engage in an argument of something so trivial, however I find enjoyment in doing so. Thus, it is the case that I am not afraid to point out faults and convince the people of realities of their words. Let's take an example. To those who are proud of running a high 16 second 1/4 mile ... post your accomplishments on honda-tech and we shall wait for a reply. We will see how many positive reponses they have to offer. Actually it does not have to be a honda forum ... post in stangnet.com, srtforums.com, clubrsx.com, skylineowners.com, k20a.org, k-series.com or any other reputible forum and I guarantee their apathetic or beligerent responses calling you a ricer. Remember, I'm pointing out the reality.
As far as my "harsh words" go. Yes, they were harsh. However, that is the nature of constructive criticism. The idea of my posts were not to congratulate them on running a poor time, but were to motivate them for something better in a firm manner. I would love to see more engine swaps in 7thgen's and my motive for these kinds of posts are to bring motivation into members. Let's give a hypothetical example of a situation from my standpoint. I tell Member X that his car ran a great time and he goes out to buy an intake and improves his time. Done. I tell Member X that his car ran a horrible time and that his car sucks, he then gets angry and purchases a turbo kit. Done. This is how I see things to work out. Now I don't care if you don't care how I think. I think CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM is a good tool.
Ok. I'm giving a realistic situation here. A 4 second drag car is not going to pull up to a 10 second Skyline on the street. TRUE, that a 10 second Supra may give props to an 11 second n/a GSR ... HOWEVER, when your car runs a 16.9 and you are against a mid 15 second Civic, I doubt anybody will care (unless you are of the same type of car ... ie. auto 7thgen) what you have, they will laugh at you. mid 15 and a 16.9 ... there is a 1.4 second difference in that and even one second in a 1/4 mile is an eternity. They are not going to care.
I am missing the point? Please clarify then, rather than insult me. How am I suppose to know what the argument is if I am not understanding? I have clarified all of my arguments upon request. Correct, 12 second cars are fast, but you have to realize that if you have a 12 second Civic (for example), people are going to respect the work you have put into your car, no matter what you have... and by people, I mean most car enthusiasts. If you tell a domestic-fan that you have a 16.9 second civic, think about that and tell me what you think he will say.
7 second muscle cars? There is no disrespect to any sort of car once it reaches a certain speed. Let's give Average Joe an S2000 with i/h/e that runs mid 13's. I bet that you could give less of a **** about Honda Insights, correct? As you may or may not know, there is an n/a K20a powered Insight that runs 10's. If that car came across Avg Joe, I guarantee you that Joe will respect the Insight.
As far as my statements "Nope, that doesn't mean I'm smarter than others" was an answer to your statement of me being older than you are. I was agreeing to the fact that my age is not a concrete method of determining a person's intelligence, but it also is a known fact that the average older person is wiser than the average person who is younger. Again here, I'm not implying anything, just stating information. As far as people who have been banned, let me add an amendment. The more logical thinkers of this forum seem to not want to engage in an argument of something so trivial, however I find enjoyment in doing so. Thus, it is the case that I am not afraid to point out faults and convince the people of realities of their words. Let's take an example. To those who are proud of running a high 16 second 1/4 mile ... post your accomplishments on honda-tech and we shall wait for a reply. We will see how many positive reponses they have to offer. Actually it does not have to be a honda forum ... post in stangnet.com, srtforums.com, clubrsx.com, skylineowners.com, k20a.org, k-series.com or any other reputible forum and I guarantee their apathetic or beligerent responses calling you a ricer. Remember, I'm pointing out the reality.
As far as my "harsh words" go. Yes, they were harsh. However, that is the nature of constructive criticism. The idea of my posts were not to congratulate them on running a poor time, but were to motivate them for something better in a firm manner. I would love to see more engine swaps in 7thgen's and my motive for these kinds of posts are to bring motivation into members. Let's give a hypothetical example of a situation from my standpoint. I tell Member X that his car ran a great time and he goes out to buy an intake and improves his time. Done. I tell Member X that his car ran a horrible time and that his car sucks, he then gets angry and purchases a turbo kit. Done. This is how I see things to work out. Now I don't care if you don't care how I think. I think CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM is a good tool.
Ok. I'm giving a realistic situation here. A 4 second drag car is not going to pull up to a 10 second Skyline on the street. TRUE, that a 10 second Supra may give props to an 11 second n/a GSR ... HOWEVER, when your car runs a 16.9 and you are against a mid 15 second Civic, I doubt anybody will care (unless you are of the same type of car ... ie. auto 7thgen) what you have, they will laugh at you. mid 15 and a 16.9 ... there is a 1.4 second difference in that and even one second in a 1/4 mile is an eternity. They are not going to care.
I am missing the point? Please clarify then, rather than insult me. How am I suppose to know what the argument is if I am not understanding? I have clarified all of my arguments upon request. Correct, 12 second cars are fast, but you have to realize that if you have a 12 second Civic (for example), people are going to respect the work you have put into your car, no matter what you have... and by people, I mean most car enthusiasts. If you tell a domestic-fan that you have a 16.9 second civic, think about that and tell me what you think he will say.
7 second muscle cars? There is no disrespect to any sort of car once it reaches a certain speed. Let's give Average Joe an S2000 with i/h/e that runs mid 13's. I bet that you could give less of a **** about Honda Insights, correct? As you may or may not know, there is an n/a K20a powered Insight that runs 10's. If that car came across Avg Joe, I guarantee you that Joe will respect the Insight.
ok, i must admit you have kinda stumped me here. you seem to "amend" your arguments very well. but your still not getting all of it. you think that your "criticism" is constructive. well lets say that i posted, instead of jx6, that i ran a 16.9 quarter mile in my auto. i would be proud as hell of that since its quite a bit faster then what most autos would run. then you come in and bash it, according to you, just trying to get my to make my car faster. well, ill tell you this much, i wish my car was faster, i wish i had the $$ to turbo or swap it, but guess what i dont, but im still proud of what i run. yet, i know its not all that fast, i know its slow, but its still better, and isnt that what we're going for? why did you buy your turbo kit? you might have run high 13's at best. thats pretty quick, but still not all that fast. you bought the kit to make your car faster. once again, i say "faster" because its comparing two things, what your car was before and what it was after. here we have an 17 second civic that with a few mods was brought down to 16's. once again, its just comparing it to what it was before and the owner realizes this. i feel like im saying the same thing over and over, and im quite sure i am. so pretty much you shouldnt bash other ppl unless they go and make a thread along the lines of "i run 16's, who wants to race? ill own all of you". most ppl on this site are smart, granted im quite sure there is someone who will make a thread like this, but most really dont need you to come in and bash what they have done since most ppl work with what they have and can afford.
Originally Posted by ricergribbs
haha, first off can i point out to you how your writing style changed after your GF posted? kinda funny actually.
ok, i must admit you have kinda stumped me here. you seem to "amend" your arguments very well. but your still not getting all of it. you think that your "criticism" is constructive. well lets say that i posted, instead of jx6, that i ran a 16.9 quarter mile in my auto. i would be proud as hell of that since its quite a bit faster then what most autos would run. then you come in and bash it, according to you, just trying to get my to make my car faster. well, ill tell you this much, i wish my car was faster, i wish i had the $$ to turbo or swap it, but guess what i dont, but im still proud of what i run. yet, i know its not all that fast, i know its slow, but its still better, and isnt that what we're going for? why did you buy your turbo kit? you might have run high 13's at best. thats pretty quick, but still not all that fast. you bought the kit to make your car faster. once again, i say "faster" because its comparing two things, what your car was before and what it was after. here we have an 17 second civic that with a few mods was brought down to 16's. once again, its just comparing it to what it was before and the owner realizes this. i feel like im saying the same thing over and over, and im quite sure i am. so pretty much you shouldnt bash other ppl unless they go and make a thread along the lines of "i run 16's, who wants to race? ill own all of you". most ppl on this site are smart, granted im quite sure there is someone who will make a thread like this, but most really dont need you to come in and bash what they have done since most ppl work with what they have and can afford.
ok, i must admit you have kinda stumped me here. you seem to "amend" your arguments very well. but your still not getting all of it. you think that your "criticism" is constructive. well lets say that i posted, instead of jx6, that i ran a 16.9 quarter mile in my auto. i would be proud as hell of that since its quite a bit faster then what most autos would run. then you come in and bash it, according to you, just trying to get my to make my car faster. well, ill tell you this much, i wish my car was faster, i wish i had the $$ to turbo or swap it, but guess what i dont, but im still proud of what i run. yet, i know its not all that fast, i know its slow, but its still better, and isnt that what we're going for? why did you buy your turbo kit? you might have run high 13's at best. thats pretty quick, but still not all that fast. you bought the kit to make your car faster. once again, i say "faster" because its comparing two things, what your car was before and what it was after. here we have an 17 second civic that with a few mods was brought down to 16's. once again, its just comparing it to what it was before and the owner realizes this. i feel like im saying the same thing over and over, and im quite sure i am. so pretty much you shouldnt bash other ppl unless they go and make a thread along the lines of "i run 16's, who wants to race? ill own all of you". most ppl on this site are smart, granted im quite sure there is someone who will make a thread like this, but most really dont need you to come in and bash what they have done since most ppl work with what they have and can afford.
well I agree that the idea of the turbo kit is to run a faster 1/4 mile, however the gist of it is the be faster than the rest. with a turbo kit, I was running faster than 95% of the 7thgen's out there ... although it isn't that "fast" in comparison to (say) a 9 second drag car. But if you think about it, there is no drag civic that can reach 7 seconds without tens of thousands of dollars at your disposal. And even at that point, it won't be street legal ... more likely than not, a tin can with a roll cage, giant drag slicks and a fiberglass body. So really, it is nonsensical to build a 7 second car. 13's are more realistic and a civic (or any fwd) car that can run 12's or lower (especially if it is street legal) deserves mad props.
My argument that a 16.9 is very very slow and does not deserve much credit is that you can swap the transmission, and run a flat 16 (if you know how to 'drive' an automatic well, I'm sure you can be a good driver for a manual too). Ok, I give you credit that not everyone has the money for a turbo kit, however a transmission swap (as far as I know) is not terribly expensive. Transmission will run 250-300 and add extra parts and labor and you're probably at 1000. if an exhaust costs $500 (on average), intake, header, no cat will run you about the same cost and not benefit you like a manual transmission would. On a less similar note, if you were to take the same money that you (not YOU but someone else) put into a body kit and rims, you could have had a manual transmission swap. Or you could trade your car in if the 1/4 mile time concerned you.
I DO see what you are saying when you give credit to a 16.9 from an 18 second 1/4 mile. However, imho, a 16.9 is still a ridiculously slow time ... if it were from a 17 to a 15.9, then I would definitely give credit to that.
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Rep Power: 0 actually tranny swap is closer to $1500. i would have done it if it were cheaper, but theres lots of little parts that add up. but see, u say that "with a turbo kit, I was running faster than 95% of the 7thgen's out there". well jx6 is doing kinda the same thing. hes running faster then 95% of the automatic civics out there. its a smaller number of ppl then u were faster than, but still its basically the same thing. yes, 16.9 is a slower time, but like i explained before with my drag car pulling up to a 10 second skyline on the street (wont happen but still), its all comparison. thats all any of this is.
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Originally Posted by JX6
I have a fast N/A automatic.
You are pretty sad for calling your g/f to have your back.
End of discussion.
You are pretty sad for calling your g/f to have your back.
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firstly, stock means stock. this is by two definitions. number one, no power adders. in other words, nothing that will affect the stock hp of the car. number two, no mods that require any form of work or modification to the car.
sorry to say, but lowering your tire pressure IS considered STILL STOCK. you can lower your tire pressure all you want, and your car is still stock. why? because it's an adjustment you can do on the fly without modifying the car, everyone can do it, and it doesn't add hp.
i think some people (aznboysrfr for example) are forgetting something about modding and racing. you're all high and mighty because you think a 16.9 doesn't deserve much credit. why? if the guy modded his auto civic (or whatever the case is) and dropped his 1/4 mile time, he deserves credit for it. a 16.9 may not be fast by today's standards, but who cares. he mods his car just like many of us, for the simple fun, challenge, and sport of it. and he could bracket race against a 10 second car and win. so who are you to degrade what he's done to his car? if we all wanted the fastest car we could possibly get for the money, we'd all be driving souped up old muscle cars. foxbody mustangs, LT1 camaro's, etc.
so if your opinion is "well 16.9 isn't anything worth much credit", i suggest you keep your opinion to yourself.
sorry to say, but lowering your tire pressure IS considered STILL STOCK. you can lower your tire pressure all you want, and your car is still stock. why? because it's an adjustment you can do on the fly without modifying the car, everyone can do it, and it doesn't add hp.
i think some people (aznboysrfr for example) are forgetting something about modding and racing. you're all high and mighty because you think a 16.9 doesn't deserve much credit. why? if the guy modded his auto civic (or whatever the case is) and dropped his 1/4 mile time, he deserves credit for it. a 16.9 may not be fast by today's standards, but who cares. he mods his car just like many of us, for the simple fun, challenge, and sport of it. and he could bracket race against a 10 second car and win. so who are you to degrade what he's done to his car? if we all wanted the fastest car we could possibly get for the money, we'd all be driving souped up old muscle cars. foxbody mustangs, LT1 camaro's, etc.
so if your opinion is "well 16.9 isn't anything worth much credit", i suggest you keep your opinion to yourself.
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Originally Posted by PonyChick
he didn't ask me to stand up for him or anything... i'm a member of this forum too and i felt like giving my slight input. besides is calling this pathetic standing up for him?
Originally Posted by S2000man01
firstly, stock means stock. this is by two definitions. number one, no power adders. in other words, nothing that will affect the stock hp of the car. number two, no mods that require any form of work or modification to the car.
sorry to say, but lowering your tire pressure IS considered STILL STOCK. you can lower your tire pressure all you want, and your car is still stock. why? because it's an adjustment you can do on the fly without modifying the car, everyone can do it, and it doesn't add hp.
i think some people (aznboysrfr for example) are forgetting something about modding and racing. you're all high and mighty because you think a 16.9 doesn't deserve much credit. why? if the guy modded his auto civic (or whatever the case is) and dropped his 1/4 mile time, he deserves credit for it. a 16.9 may not be fast by today's standards, but who cares. he mods his car just like many of us, for the simple fun, challenge, and sport of it. and he could bracket race against a 10 second car and win. so who are you to degrade what he's done to his car? if we all wanted the fastest car we could possibly get for the money, we'd all be driving souped up old muscle cars. foxbody mustangs, LT1 camaro's, etc.
so if your opinion is "well 16.9 isn't anything worth much credit", i suggest you keep your opinion to yourself.
sorry to say, but lowering your tire pressure IS considered STILL STOCK. you can lower your tire pressure all you want, and your car is still stock. why? because it's an adjustment you can do on the fly without modifying the car, everyone can do it, and it doesn't add hp.
i think some people (aznboysrfr for example) are forgetting something about modding and racing. you're all high and mighty because you think a 16.9 doesn't deserve much credit. why? if the guy modded his auto civic (or whatever the case is) and dropped his 1/4 mile time, he deserves credit for it. a 16.9 may not be fast by today's standards, but who cares. he mods his car just like many of us, for the simple fun, challenge, and sport of it. and he could bracket race against a 10 second car and win. so who are you to degrade what he's done to his car? if we all wanted the fastest car we could possibly get for the money, we'd all be driving souped up old muscle cars. foxbody mustangs, LT1 camaro's, etc.
so if your opinion is "well 16.9 isn't anything worth much credit", i suggest you keep your opinion to yourself.
hm, as far as I know, STOCK meant that there are NO modifications whatsoever. There are "free mods" you can do, such as taking off the power steering (which adds hp), taking off the b pipe and muffler (adds hp) and gutting the car (reducing weight). Lowering tire pressure is in the same category, is it not? It takes work to lower the tire pressure. Factory specs on that are 32 psi, iirc and I can't remember the last time I drove a car off the dealer lot with 32 psi on the rears and 20 psi on the fronts.
I've read your stories, s2kman ... I've seen how you make fun of the ricers that pull up to you with their conceitedness. Technically they're faster than stock, do you give them credit?
Originally Posted by ricergribbs
actually tranny swap is closer to $1500. i would have done it if it were cheaper, but theres lots of little parts that add up. but see, u say that "with a turbo kit, I was running faster than 95% of the 7thgen's out there". well jx6 is doing kinda the same thing. hes running faster then 95% of the automatic civics out there. its a smaller number of ppl then u were faster than, but still its basically the same thing. yes, 16.9 is a slower time, but like i explained before with my drag car pulling up to a 10 second skyline on the street (wont happen but still), its all comparison. thats all any of this is.
well, I'm done with this ... I've made my points and you've made yours (as well as everyone else) ... I'm sure you guys are sick of hearing me anyway.
I'm also sure that s2kman is just itching to ban me anyway. haha I'm in a crapload of arguments on this forum from time to time. my k20a swap will be finished in 1 month ... pics will go up. perhaps I won't be banned until then ;P
i really doubt taking off the b-pipe and muffler will result in more power. doesnt a car need back pressure?
your definition of the term "stock" in automotive terms is quite different from what most ppl will think of. which is pretty interesting. im gonna make a thread about it now lol
your definition of the term "stock" in automotive terms is quite different from what most ppl will think of. which is pretty interesting. im gonna make a thread about it now lol
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Originally Posted by aznboysrfr
I can voice my opinion in any forum I please because that is the idea behind free speech, is it not?
hm, as far as I know, STOCK meant that there are NO modifications whatsoever. There are "free mods" you can do, such as taking off the power steering (which adds hp), taking off the b pipe and muffler (adds hp) and gutting the car (reducing weight). Lowering tire pressure is in the same category, is it not? It takes work to lower the tire pressure. Factory specs on that are 32 psi, iirc and I can't remember the last time I drove a car off the dealer lot with 32 psi on the rears and 20 psi on the fronts.
I've read your stories, s2kman ... I've seen how you make fun of the ricers that pull up to you with their conceitedness. Technically they're faster than stock, do you give them credit?
hm, as far as I know, STOCK meant that there are NO modifications whatsoever. There are "free mods" you can do, such as taking off the power steering (which adds hp), taking off the b pipe and muffler (adds hp) and gutting the car (reducing weight). Lowering tire pressure is in the same category, is it not? It takes work to lower the tire pressure. Factory specs on that are 32 psi, iirc and I can't remember the last time I drove a car off the dealer lot with 32 psi on the rears and 20 psi on the fronts.
I've read your stories, s2kman ... I've seen how you make fun of the ricers that pull up to you with their conceitedness. Technically they're faster than stock, do you give them credit?
secondly, removing power steering, removing exhaust components is NOT STOCK. why? you're doing major modification to the car, and affecting HP.
lowering tire pressure is stock. i don't know how much more i can repeat myself before you get it. that's simply the unwritten rules of the race track. there is some gray area when it comes to weight reduction, but otherwise, it's pretty clear cut what "stock" is considered to people on the track.
and you're damn right i make fun of some of the ricers i come across. that doesn't mean i don't think they enjoy what they do. however, the main difference between me poking fun at a car done in poor taste, and you poking fun at someone on here who runs a 16.9, is they are not a member of this forum. so re-read the first part of this post again.
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Originally Posted by D17thgen
i really doubt taking off the b-pipe and muffler will result in more power. doesnt a car need back pressure?
your definition of the term "stock" in automotive terms is quite different from what most ppl will think of. which is pretty interesting. im gonna make a thread about it now lol
your definition of the term "stock" in automotive terms is quite different from what most ppl will think of. which is pretty interesting. im gonna make a thread about it now lol
a car will ALWAYS have backpressure, no matter what you do. there is a calculation you can do to determine the exact amount of backpressure a car needs. the majority of cars come from the factory with far too much of it.
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Originally Posted by aznboysrfr
with a manual tranny costing $250-300 extra parts costs an extra $1200?
well, I'm done with this ... I've made my points and you've made yours (as well as everyone else) ... I'm sure you guys are sick of hearing me anyway.
I'm also sure that s2kman is just itching to ban me anyway. haha I'm in a crapload of arguments on this forum from time to time. my k20a swap will be finished in 1 month ... pics will go up. perhaps I won't be banned until then ;P
well, I'm done with this ... I've made my points and you've made yours (as well as everyone else) ... I'm sure you guys are sick of hearing me anyway.
I'm also sure that s2kman is just itching to ban me anyway. haha I'm in a crapload of arguments on this forum from time to time. my k20a swap will be finished in 1 month ... pics will go up. perhaps I won't be banned until then ;P
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Originally Posted by aznboysrfr
stock tire pressure is around 32 psi, iirc. it's located in your doorjamb and in your manual. check it out sometime.
how am I coming up with more bs? NOTHING I say is made up and if I am wrong about something, I amend myself. I don't care if you dislike me ... dislike me all you want. you're just another idiot forum member
how am I coming up with more bs? NOTHING I say is made up and if I am wrong about something, I amend myself. I don't care if you dislike me ... dislike me all you want. you're just another idiot forum member
Ok...so the same thing applies for a 'stock' civic ex auto civic's weight?My car came 180 lbs lighter than me when it was stock and I wasn't sitting in it.That means MY CAR is NOT stock weight when I am sitting in it.
well then I'm sure my weight and everyone elses influences their quarter mile time.I'm sure a 350 lb person would run a slower time in my car given the same conditions against my 16.9.
As for the excuse of wasting my time modding my auto civic.Most members on the site waste time modding their car, regardless of their transmission.Stock for stock,all 7thgen's are slow.I see you think a type r spoiler makes your car "The ****".
Another thing.Don't act like you haven't been owned in this thread over and over again.I see you care so much about me I am in your sig.All that tells me is that you are a bit selfconscious and are trying to make someone else feel bad.I wouldn't waste my time putting your dumbass in my sig.
I am a better driver than you.
Originally Posted by JX6
Ok...so the same thing applies for a 'stock' civic ex auto civic's weight?My car came 180 lbs lighter than me when it was stock and I wasn't sitting in it.That means MY CAR is NOT stock weight when I am sitting in it.
well then I'm sure my weight and everyone elses influences their quarter mile time.I'm sure a 350 lb person would run a slower time in my car given the same conditions against my 16.9.
As for the excuse of wasting my time modding my auto civic.Most members on the site waste time modding their car, regardless of their transmission.Stock for stock,all 7thgen's are slow.I see you think a type r spoiler makes your car "The ****".
Another thing.Don't act like you haven't been owned in this thread over and over again.I see you care so much about me I am in your sig.All that tells me is that you are a bit selfconscious and are trying to make someone else feel bad.I wouldn't waste my time putting your dumbass in my sig.
I am a better driver than you.
well then I'm sure my weight and everyone elses influences their quarter mile time.I'm sure a 350 lb person would run a slower time in my car given the same conditions against my 16.9.
As for the excuse of wasting my time modding my auto civic.Most members on the site waste time modding their car, regardless of their transmission.Stock for stock,all 7thgen's are slow.I see you think a type r spoiler makes your car "The ****".
Another thing.Don't act like you haven't been owned in this thread over and over again.I see you care so much about me I am in your sig.All that tells me is that you are a bit selfconscious and are trying to make someone else feel bad.I wouldn't waste my time putting your dumbass in my sig.
I am a better driver than you.
yup, you're the better driver when it comes to autos lol
yup, my car's the **** with a type r spoiler, because that's exactly what I was thinking when I put it on
I've been owned over and over? hahahaha so your purpose of arguing is to "own me" over and over? don't be mad because your car is slower than mine
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