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Here are a few pictures of what the B&G coilovers look like and the huge box they came in. The box was 57 pounds. The brackets are like a gold color from being andonized I think. Note the two springs on each coilover. One the helper spring and the other the main spring. This helps create a comfortable ride. I bought this from 2cutes friend which is a worker of mmrusa.com for 1147 shipped. Got my Ingalls front and back for about 160 from groupbuy. Got the camber kit cheap b/c bought two sets. You can see the yellow card on the box, which is Lifetime warranty. I didn't know that till I got it, and I think that's one great additional thing about it.

You can also see the wrenches to adjust the heights and the rubber hats to give cushion for the spring against the spring hat. The spring hat will be the stock one. Other things about the system is the shock boot which protects the shock from dirt and a floating rubber bumpstop that protects your shock from bottoming out. I have to say this setup is worth the grand i spent and I can't wait to put it on after finals week. I was going to put it in myself, but that would void the lifetime warranty. I need a certified mechanic to do it. If you guys want a picture of the camber kit, I will post it if you want, but I think it's been posted by Grey before.


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Well I'm glad you got them and are happy with them. Uh if you need anythng else let me know and I can probably get a good deal for you. I'm sorry I apparently forgot to mention the warrenty. Either way good luck.

 
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2cute - Is that $1147.00 shipped price still good?

 
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damn the front springs are so small... would expect bigger from a true coilover...
you have to use your stock top mount for this right? cause i only see peices of the top mount

 
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Uh you know I don't know for sure. I was selling them as a favor for a friend. Uhhmmm call Matt at Mantaray Motorsport Racing. The number is (888)542-3626. Make sure you talk to Matt. Tell him that Jen sent you. Uh last I heard they were out but he may still give you the deal. $1,000 plus shipping. Retail is $1,800 and the guys at B&G were selling them for $1,200. One guy ordered them and he still got the price BUT he has to wait a month to get them. So talking to Matt will be your best bet cuz he will know everything for sure.

 
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Note that I got taxed because I'm in California, so if your not in cali, then yours might be cheaper. Only 37 bucks to ship though for me because I was in state. I didn't have enough time to drive down to San Diego to pick them up. Matt said I bought the last set from him and that everyone else who wants them will have to wait for them in backordering. So good luck if you can get them.

Oh sorry, forgot to answer a question. Yes, you have to use your stock upper mount. If you look at most true coilover systems, the springs aren't that big, because when you drop your car extremely low, wide springs might rub or prevent you from dropping it low. That is why they use smaller springs, but I think it's the material and amount of coils that matters. They can compensate for the width by material and what not.

 
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Well that isn't entirly true. As far as the ride is concerned it depends on the dampining. B&G uses a progressive coil so there is no manual dampining adjustment. This allows for the smoother ride than traditional coilovers. Which if you think about it it is a good thing unless you are like say a CART driver. I don't know many people that know how to adjust the dampining properly.

Oh I forgot to mention duyaknow was not the last to get the price. Matt told me he gave it to another guy but he is going to have to wait a month to get them so like I said call Matt he can tell you everything for sure.

 
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Help me understand this....You install them, probably need a camber kit, decide on the height you want, get an alignment, and that's it? Lets say I went to a show and once I was at my spot, I could lower as much as I wanted just for the show, and then return to the desired driving height after that? Is there any good documentation somewhere I could read?

 
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2cute- always great on helping out the less informed. Thanks again for the help and deals you setup. Oh, I said that I got the last set that Matt had, but he also shipped them to me from the B&G manufacturer in Southern Cali. I guess the factory has to produce more of them, so maybe Matt can still give you the same price, but you'll have to wait or like i said on backorder. I rushed my sale because Matt said next month that he would be charging 1599, so I had to buy mine right at that time if I wanted it in a week and at that price. Weird thing is that I see the site of mmrusa.com list it at 1450 i think. I guess he tried to get me to buy it at that time, but I'm not mad, i still got one hell of a deal. Plus online deals are usually different than person to person deals. No offense to Matt from what I said i hope. I'll have to say that they have good customor service and Matt is really nice to talk to on the phone. He'll help you with whatever you need and more.

SQ- THat's a good question. I was wondering the same. If you get it aligned and then wanna slam it for fun after alignment, but then readjust the height back to the way it was, do you have to get another alignment? I think that's what your asking SQ. I would like to know that too.

 
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nope because your not taking apart the suspension again. maybe the tires but nothing else. as long as you adjust it to the height you got the alignment at, your fine.

 
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hmm. looks pretty cool.

I almost got 'em from 2cute like you did.. but I changed my mind... gotta paid rent -_-

post about how they ride after you get 'em on... (I got finals this week too. DOH!)

 
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Yeah you should get a camber kit. Depending on how low you plan to have your ride. I take that back either way probably a good idea. Get the alignment and then you should be good. Shouldn't have to do it again. The point of coilovers is to be able to adjust your ride and stay within spec for your camber, caster and toe. Coilovers were designed for racing and to be able to have an ultralow ride height while staying in camber. Either way you should be fine. Technically yes BUT just about everyone that talks about coils on this site makes them seem like they are VERY easy to adjust. They really aren't (not trying to offend anyone sorry). So you can and since the B&G's are self dampining that takes away a lot of the problems. Uh most people that get coils get them for one of two resons one is they race or two they show. So they are fully adjustable from I think 1.2 to I know 3.5 inches. You can go as low as 3.5 and anywhere between. Uh if I remember correctly H&R's sight has some good info on it. I can't remember the site for sure but I think it is www.hrspecialsprings.com. Otherwise do a search in a search engine like lycos or yahoo for coilover suspensions.

 
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2Cute i orderd mine from mmr, also i got them real fast and with great customer assist i recommend them to all who want b&g

 
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damn! i have got to get me one of those.

 
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I'm one of the "Wait one month for backorder" people. [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/IMG]

Thanks for posting the pics, DuYaKnow. Those things look reeealy nice and I can't wait till I get mine.

 
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No problem inanimate. So how are most of you guys planning to install it? Professional or by yourself? I was going to do it myself, but the warranty would void. Can't just waste away a lifetime warranty. I know most of the ppl who got it are in cali, so if you can find a good installation price for camber kit, coilovers, and alignment...let me know. I'm probably not going to get an alignment after a week of installment though. I want to see how low I can go without scraping everywhere or rubbing. Might as well use the adjustable height to my advantage...haha.

 
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After hearing the "must be installed by certified mechanic" thing, I think I'll just have my shop do everything (B&Gs and Ingalls). I've given them a lot of business with my old car ('93 Sunbird) and about 6 referrals. They are pretty cool and the owner's son even has a JR supercharged 6th gen. Bottom line is I don't wanna mess around with installing it myself in case I don't have the right tools.

 
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I'm actually gonna try installing them myself, with the help of a friend who works at a shop. I got a quote from this one place that knows my parents, and they offered me a price of $284 for 4 hours of work. I've looked over the DIY install for springs.. it looks kind of simple; just time consuming. I'll go out and rent a tie bar remover.. don't think I'll need a spring compressor. the project will begin probably wednesday. I need everyone's support [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG] and I'll try to take pictures for a DIY.. just bought a new digital cam

 
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oh yeah, I know I should have asked this sooner.. will the B+G kit fit a 2002 model? if it doesnt, what could I buy to make it fit?

 
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MexieuS, since its your first time i suggest you use a spring compressor. just what i recommend. if your able to do it without one, more power to you but hey its better safe then sorry.

 
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Would a spring compressor be necessary since the springs are already mounted in the strut bodies?

 
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its not exactly mounted on the strut body because you need to use your stock upper mount. i would recommend you use one to take the stock strut apart, although i have heard of people being able to get away by letting the bolt shoot into a bucket or some other way...
as for putting the top mount onto the b&g coilover, you could probably do it without it by adjusting the coilover to the lowest drop and then putting the top mount on

 
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yikes!

ahh, forgot about the upper spring mount. Thanks. [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG]

 
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Uh well personally I wouldn't do it without a spring compressor for sure and I don't like to work without a lift. The B&Gs are doable without a compressor but hard due to getting the bolt into where it needs to be. Even with the coils compressed to 3.5 drop you have to do a lot of extra work to ge them on so in other words if you have never done springs or any suspension work take it and get it done. That is just my 2 cents.

 
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i'm going to have to disagree with "if you have never done springs or any suspension work take it and get it done". because you have to learn sometime right? if you never try it you'll never be able to do it. its not a hard diy if you HAVE THE RIGHT TOOLS. i think that makes the difference between a 2 hour job and a 2 day job.

 
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Let me clarify a bit then. Here is the deal why would you want to void a warrenty on something like that? That is my first question. Second I understand you have to learn sometime BUT the majority of people I know that have done suspension have a VERY hard time if they don't have the right equipment. These are people that do it all the time. Now for someone that has never done suspension and not having the proper equipment they are going to have a hell of a time. I have done the B&Gs and they aren't terrible to do BUT without having a spring compressor (mostly along with a few other tools) then it will be difficult. Having them fully compressed they still don't seat where you want them to. They are to tall when you have the car up to get the bolt in easily. I guess all I'm saying is to be prepared to have your car towed some where if you can't get it to work right and if you screw up on the install be prepared to spend another $1000 for new coils. That is all I'm really saying. Suspension can be difficult. That is my 2 cents. But if you feel confident that you are capable then by all means go for it. I just know what it intales with and without the proper equipment.

 
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forgot about the warranty... ya your spending that much money for B&Gs, i think it would be worth it to invest $80 for lifetime warranty

 
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DuYaKnow, did you ever get these installed? Could we see some pics?

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I installed it myself. Wasn't too bad. The hardest part was the rear becasue the bottom eyelet of the B&G setup is a little bigger than the mounting bracket on the car. I sat the shock on top of the bracket and jacked up the bracket. THe spring got really compressed, but then eventually popped into the bracket. I had it adjusted to no gap and took pictures of the car, but not of the setup on my car.

I found out that 215/45 tires are too wide for the rear, because it will rub against the fender unless i get it rolled or had the camber adjusted completely negative. I made the decision to just raise my car back up to a 2 and 1/2 finger gap in the rear and maybe a 2 finger gap in the front. The front I have 205/40 tires and the ride is pretty bumpy and even worse if the road is a bumpy. When i hit little breaks in the road, feels like my car is gonna break. Yes, I have different sized tires for my car. I will adjust it back down when I get new tires. I will be looking for 205/45 tires because i want some cushion and fender clearance with the least amount of negative camber.

I just bought the Tenzo bolt on exhaust from someone on this site, and it's awesome. I just got it mounted today and it sounds perfect. It's not loud like those universal R1 or AC autotechnic revolution exhaust. I think it's probably the sound of the magnaflow or DC sports. The sound quiets down in third gear, and dies out in fourth. I love that because I hate sounding like a bumble bee on the freeway...haha.

I will post pix of my car if you like, but what pictures do you want and I will try to get them for you. I only installed one set of bolts for the front camber kit, because I don't think the camber is bad enough to need two. So I have an extra set right now, but question the need to install them. I'm probably going to get an alignment this week.

Note, car is really bumpy if slammed, but 2cute said it might be because you need to cut the B&G bumpstops to give more shock travel. I'm kind of reluctant to do it, but maybe I will after I drop my car again and get new tires. NOw the ride is great and stiffer, but not bouncy. Feels alot more sporty. Just to inform you, adjusting the height is no piece of cake. It's a pain in the butt, and very slow because of the small threads B&G use. The springs are long and are compressed (helper springs) all the way at the height I have it now before even dropping it. The front was easier but I recommend using Pepboy's tie rod remover. It's not the stupid fork thing that can kill your boot. It's a "C" shaped thing with a screw like rod in the middle. Totally recommend a helper for the front, but you can do the rear by yourself. I did one front shock by myself and it was like hell.

This is my first time installing springs and first time driving a lowered car. Put that in to consideration b/c ppl have different preferences in riding conditions.

 
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I will call my boy later to find out what he cut. When they settle they should get a little stiffer too. Side note ALL coilovers are hard to adjust. Like I said when I was selling the B&Gs at that price it isn't as easy as some of the people on this site lead you to believe. I can still get B&Gs if anyone is intrested but they are not for $1000 anymore they are closer to $1300 but that is still $500 off the retail price.