01HonderCivic

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Okay, I will

Everybody who gets 80 mpg, raise your hand



Oh wow, looks like NOBODY is raising their hand. I bet if you had a Hybrid you would be getting 200 mpg, I suppose?

philmcneal

^ i meant when your in 5th gear for that moment... instanteious..... now I know where I went wrong someone misunderstood me.

I didn't mean average, if that's what you meant lol when that moment your crusing in 5th at low rpms with barely enough throttle to maintain speed or bleed it off, then that's what your getting in the mean time. (at that exact moment until you can't be in 5th anymore due to speed dropping too much)

5th is a powerful gear folks.

If i had a hybrid, indeed i'd see 80 mpg and i would shoot for triple digits. Like what Wayne Gredies did in his honda insight

http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=725

jackburton

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You are rediculous. Your engine bogs down, great, WTF? Not enough torque, I mean common sense ****.

Flat or sloping down, if you cannot tell then just keep up with the same speed, cause if the hill is that level then it is not worth it to let off the throttle like that.

Again, WOW, your getting high gass mileage while your coasting down a hill in gear? Really, Hmmm could that be cause our ecu cuts the fuel Hmmm. Tough one.

You shift like a normal person, wow amazing.

philmcneal

what i'm trying to do is using the available torque (which is very little at the rpms i'm trying to cruise at) to maintain or bleed off my speed... and at that low rpms i'm injecting very little fuel as possible to achieve that.

the problem with that is, your burning too much gas to maintain that same speed when the same can be achieved with using much less fuel (in 5th as opposed to being in 4th)

the momentum ruined by being in gear greatly diminishes any chance you have of actually coasting (blame the gear your in and the engine creating drag for the wheels). If It was up to me I'd coast as much as possible, screw the 5th gear but I don't live in a perfect world and there are such things as tailgaters behind me. And for some (not sure about our cars) but the ECU still burns a tiny bit of fuel just to keep the emission system happy. My scangauge tells me I'm still burning fuel even without touching the throttle, although that itself is a whole new debate.... (since the SG has bugs of its own)


out of all people, you should know jack considering my activity at the standardshift.com forums. What kind of impression did you get when I was going up the gears?

dalaw

are you calculating your fuel economy correctly?

philmcneal

no my last two tanks i've been doing the petty (fill up only 10 bucks 10 bucks 10 bucks!)

so now i'm back to when gas is empty fill it to the RIMSSSSSSS but since i have to wait for at least 3 weeks or so to fill... i sometimes forgot lol...

it should be within 10 percent at least or so.... right now my scangauge odometer reads 550 km with the needle pointing almost half (40%), and my actual civic odometer is 555 km so i once again probably messed up my calibration...

there are times when the recepit wouldn't print out and to add on top of that i forgot a damn pen to write down the numbers! argh what's worse is not having the caculator makes things so much harder since i'm a real lazy bastard.

All i know is, by the time its time to fill up, i forgot to do what i'm suppose to do and yes I drive daily all day! I got school and work to worry about too you know...

hopefully this tank i'll be able to prove if the SG is BS or real! hopefully i don't forget to bring a pen otherwise i just have the "**** it" addiute. since in my heart (lol) i know i spend less gas than the chums on the road I see daily.

i think the way is to, everytime you fill up gas reset odometer? take that number and write it on your recepit then divide by the number of liters you put in.

I only fill to the first "click" i dont overfill like some hardcore FE folks do, and everytime I do i bless my NOS sign (since its stickied agaist my gas tank) and use the window washer to clean it out. I think I had an accident where gas was on my body and I got rust!!!!!!!!!!!! D:

One more thing, Cheveron gas only for me, even though they are a evil piece of corpoation.... but that's why I hypermile in the first place screw that they are getting less of my money as little as possible with my convienece. I rather spend the extra bucks on fast food (even though they are evil too) or bc liquore store (evil as well!)

jackburton

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I KNOW IT IS ALL PRETTY SIMPLE!
You are acting like you are some super driver, and just keep repeating the same damn ****.

Impressions, what are you talking about? You described the textbook shift, waiting for rpms to drop, that is what every stick shift driver does, or at least should. It is taught over seas in basic driving school.


I cant take it any more. Some of what you are writing, or should I say a substantial proportion has no meaning. You are talking in circles and your logic is skewed.
I am gone.

philmcneal

Then why aren't you convinced? Everytime you had a concern about something I did I answered back, you haven't done the same for me.

Trust me if you think I'm a super driver your terribly wrong, you haven't gone over here to drive where I live. People are much more hardcore than I when driving on the road, I garentee it.
Well I was trying to prove that my car still runs yes?

Well because you raised concerned, so I try to reword it in different ways to help you understand.

But I've backed them up yes? The meaning of saving gas is not good enough?

Don't worry, I wasn't converted in a day, it took a lot of eipiphanies to uncover the truth I'm trying to show you guys.

jackburton

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Convinced of what? Tire pressure will add to gas mileage, but I still do not think 60 psi is wise. I never said you were not getting 50mpg or that for short periods you may be gettting 80 mpg, I do not really care.

From what you wrote it sounds like you think your driving habits are superior, I would get some examples but there are too many to choose from. You just have to scroll up.

What truth, wtf are you talking about? So far you wrote a bunch of babble that could have been summed up in a sentence. Increase tire pressure, conserve momentum, stay in 5th gear, coast if at all pssible, control your speed, and be easy. And once again it is all pretty common sense stuff and by no means a mystical "truth" that can be "uncovered."
Now seriously, I am gone.

SVOboy

His point, I should say, is that most people do not drive like this, and believe that 30mpg on the highway is some magic number. Some simple driving techniques that very few people practice can save a lot, but no one knows about it or cares to discuss it.

He and I are both simply concerned with propogating this information. I'm glad you know these things and they are common sense to you, but had people not told me these things and I didn't know people getting 65 mpg in their stock del sols I wouldn't have imagined it or known how to do it, so let's not yell and be rude and ruin it for people who don't already know everything.

XxSoVeReiGNxX

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you said it best.
even sillyer how some random kook with an internet connection thinks he outsmarted a century-old industry.


The way I look at it is "Manufacturer knows best". They hire scientists and engineers to study, test, and build the stuff, and eliminate the guesswork for the consumer.

shroomster

I vote philmcneal for ban.

basis:
annoyance
spewing arrogance and mis-information as truth
will not let go of said mis-information.


trying to swing around what you said in the beginning about consistenly getting an average of 50+ mpg in a regular civic, whjen now you're saying you take random measurements from periods of driving. that does not equal a full tank buddy. also what is this converting crap? you trying to turn yourself into a mormon gas-god? you find the chevron card of jehovah buried in the sand at the foot of a pump?

once again i state:

PHILMCNEAL FOR BAN

diskreet

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I am glad I got out of this b!tch fest of a thread.

01HonderCivic

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Okay, so two weeks ago, you were getting 40 mpg average? Don't believe that's what you said? Here's proof

http://www.7thgencivic.com/forums/sh...&postcount=209

Read last line


And now you're claiming 50 mpg in your sig? What changed? Other then you being a douchebag and trying to spread "THE TRUTH" OMG BOW DOWN TO THE TRUTH



By the way, this was a great thread, proving that it's not just us who think you're f*cking retarded and would suck your own d*ck if given the chance

http://www.cartalkcanada.com/forum/i...c,45824.0.html



I think what the problem is is that you're a poor motherf*cker. Seriously, why do you care so much? If you cared that much about saving a precious resource, you would either ride a bike to work, or take a horse and buggy wherever you needed to go. You don't though, so it's a matter of convienence, rather then principal. I think that the only reason you're saying this is because you want to believe that what you're doing is helping the earth, that you're not using as much fuel as other people, to stroke your own ego, and so you don't have to cry yourself to sleep at night for using one more unnecessary gallon of gas . Is it worth all this **** to "save" gas as you supposedly do? If you care that ****ing much, go buy a Prius, suck your own d*ck while driving it, and you'll be happier that you're getting 300 mpg and our eyes won't feel as stupid.




I second the motion for philmcneal ban. Feel free to sing this litle ditty I wrote
BAN!
BAN!
BAN!
BAN!

....philmcneal!

dalaw

turning off the engine while coasting? dont you lose your power steering if you do that?

Oh and about the 80 mpg for an instant, it doesnt mean ****, my parents rented a chevy uplander minivan with 3.9L V6 while we were in the east coast and the instantaneous mpg meter showed 70+ mpg every time the van was coasting or braking, so what? the average mpg indicated at 23 mpg for our 1 week stay.

diskreet

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LOL wow the drama!

boxcarracer

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PHILMCNEAL FOR BAN
If we got that much MPG wouldnt you think Honda would brag about it?

blk04civiclx

"arguing online is like the special olympics. Even though you win, you're still retarded"

boricua_civic

I think youre going on someone's signature

philmcneal

I"ve improved, I learn new things everyday. And remember it takes weeks (1 month if i'm really lucky) for me to drain my gas tank, a lot can happen within those weeks since I try new ways to improve my FE everytime (in terms of driving ability).

yep, but since i'm already rolling at a certain speed it feels like I still have it, its only more noticeable when you slow down.

i'm just trying to share info, wouldn't you want to use less and still get there with barely any time difference? (don't underestimate what a red light can do to your speeding) I'm sure many of you have the option of using less sooner or later but many of us still need to drive just because we have to. If you can convert one, and convert another then evenually everyone will start using less isn't that a good thing? Espically for the air.

I'll wait till you guys are more civil to discuss until then I'll go away for now and return sometime in the future when you guys are more serious about saving quite a few gallons in the city.

On the highway my techniques are useless so I just drive in the right lane.

edit: however on the plus side, i bought myself an electric scooter so I did take some of your guys advice. I will be using it when I feel I don't need to drive to work or school, since I realize my average speeds are as fast as this EV scooter will go. However when I feel I need the comfort of my own car, you'll know I'll be using as less fuel as possible to get to A to B.

See you guys later.

boxcarracer

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PHILMCNEAL FOR BAN
wtf close the thread

jackburton

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Who turns their car off while drving LOL
I mean think about it, coasterLOL

drive_fast_dail

this escalated into a retarded argument, in what could have been a good dicusion. Too bad a lot of people are closeminded and just argue about things without really knowing much about it. I run higher tire pressure because I know when I run stock I rape the edges in no time. There is some gas mileage benifit, but you would have to get a really controlled test to see exactly what it is. Chances are type of tires makes more difference than pressure so long as you arent under manufacture recomended. philmcneal has some good and some bad suggestions. Im sure he has greatly improved his fuel economy even though he cant quantify how much each thing changes it. Main thing if you like fuel economy is just accelerate as slow that is reasonable, and take it out of gear and coast when going down a hill or approaching a light. The biggest gains are going to be simply with driving style. One thing that you just shoudnt do is turn the car off when you are coasting, this is a bad and dangerous idea. Idle is pretty efficient, while turning it off you loose all power assistance, steering is managable the main concern is braking, you really got to be strong with the foot to stop quickly without power assist. Keep the car running at all times when you are moving. Hes just trying to promote people who want lower gas consumption can easily lower it by what they do. You can get over EPA if you really care to, EPA hasnt a certain testing procedure honda can only advertise at that rating.

One thing to take away is just realize how bad running tire pressure low is. Whether you like buying tires or dont corner particularly hard and run stock pressure or run higher. Make sure its at least the 30 psi.

01HonderCivic

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Aww, How noble, a self ban. If only we could make it permanent. Do yourself a favor, Don't come back, because we know you're full of **** now, and we know you'll be full of **** again in the future. Did you even read the article you originally posted? It reccomended that you inflate to the MAX SIDEWALL PRESSURE, not 20 pounds above it. I seriously hope that you blow a tire and hurt yourself, that way you'll realize that the rest of the people who share the roads deserve to live more then you deserve to get "50" miles per gallon in the city.

zadscmc

This is not entirely true.

Some models have electric power steering. Designed to run when the engine is not idling. Some models have reserve braking power, designed to run whent the engine is not idling.

shroomster

neither of which are available on a 7th gen civic.....

boxcarracer

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can we close this thread? 50mpg?wasnt he saying 80 before? higher tire pressure? wtf no go away 14 or 15' tires blown to those high pressure #'s sounds dumb hondas manual recommends 32 for a reason jeez didnt i say this already CLOSE PLEASE

jackburton

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Well they recomend 32 for a comfotable ride. Pumping them up to 40-45 is prob not going to wear your tires. You can test with chalk if you would like. You will have better handleing and gas mileage at the expense of ride comfort. And they do test tires to rediculous amounts, but pumping your tires up to 60 psi is just pushing your luck, and has to wear the tires like crazy.

Truck dealers sometimes do not inflate their tires enough so that the trucks ride smoothly, but that is sooooo dangerous. My friend told me that that was the trouble with a lot of the firestone tires that were blowing, ford dealers were underinflating the tires, at like 25psi. I do not know for sure about the firestone cause it is hearsay, but it makes sense about dealers underinflating tires. It makes sense because when people test drive cars, they look for a comfotable ride, at least most people in the US.

Zzyzx

The better handling part is debateable, as simply increasing the overall PSI will simply increase steering responsiveness. which doesnt mean the car is handling better, it will simply "Feel" as if it is.

From some one who uses their car for compitition, I've seen first hand what a 1-2 LB difference in psi can make in regards to handling balance.

jackburton

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I know my tires roll over easier at below the recomended 32 so I would assume they would roll over even less if they were pumped up higher.
Is that not better handleing?