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On my way to school this morning, my car suddenly died and would not start. Plugged in my OBD-2 code reader, came up with P1362 (TDC no signal).

Popped the hood, put my hands on the sensor, and came to the realization that it [the sensor] was no longer attached to the cylinder head.

Now, I can imagine that would be the cause of my car no longer running/starting, but when I did my HG replacement, I was stupid and forgot to plug in the sensor, and the car started up, although idled rougher than ****. Plugged the sensor it, cleared the code, and she started just fine. That's the only thing that's irking me right now, the fact that I forgot to plug the sensor it, and the car ran, but now the car won't start.

My car's in a Bank of America parking lot right now, and I plan on tearing into 'er once I get done with school. Well, after I get the car back to the house, that is. I started tearing into it right there on the road, waiting for my dad to give me a ride to school, since I always have a socket set in my car. I got 2 of the screws holding the timing belt cover on, then I realized I had to take the valve cover off to get it off completely. However, since I can't continue working on it right now, I figured I'd ask what you guys thought.

If I remember correctly, the sensor doesn't really penetrate the head, but works off of some sort of magnetic signal, right?

I dunno, I'm just frustrated as **** right now. Any input is greatly appreciated.

 
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Id say your out of time... for what reason.. I don't know On the bright side you only need to remove the upper timing belt cover to check your timing because you can use the crank pulley to check the block for timing position... Obviously what your doing anyway but I figure I'd offer up what I thought. I assume you played with the sensor connection to make sure it was solid.

 
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The crankshaft position sensor uses variations in a strong magnetic field to detect the position of the crankshaft (Essentially a disturbance every time the crankshaft passes by it). I'm PRETTY sure that a camshaft sensor works the same. (STUPID Honda calls it TDC sensor, it's ACTUAL name is CPS Sensor. If you search CPS sensor you will probably find a shitload more info on it.

 
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Ya know, I was thinking that, but she's been running just fine for over 1000 miles since the HG change (possibly over 2000 now), so I kinda threw that idea out.

 
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is it running now?

 
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just got it home on a flatbed, courtesy of AAA.. bout to tear into her right now

 
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g' lucky.
let us know if there is anything we can help (not likely with a veteran like you )

if it was a ol' beetle or VW golf type with carbs, i would be of more help, but never tore apart the ol' D17 until now...)

 
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Wow man sorry to hear about your issues, I hope it's a quick fix. I feel so bad seeing broke down cars on campus

The forums gots your back!!!

 
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Yep, I'm ****ing done with this car.

edit: to not leave you guys hanging, took the valve cover off, got the upper timing belt cover off. Discovered my timing belt whittled down to about 1/4" wide and the TDC sensor eaten through. Pics later, when I'm much more calmed down, unless Kenny or Mel feel like showing 'em.

It's taking every ounce of self control to refrain from grabbing my dad's 10lb sledge hammer and going to ****ing town on the god damn thing.

 
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as promised folks: the source of my anger.

meet my TDC Sensor. Seemingly fine, at a glance, other than a white spec that arouses your curiosity


at a proper angle, the damage is shown


and now the WTF shot


my car----> <----me
:hith ead:

 
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Hooly **** I had a feeling it was bed when I read the first post. Sorry to hear that man. It almost makes me want to remove my upper cover to make sure the same isnt happening to me. The belt didnt BREAK... so dont get too mad yet. That sensor may have saved your engine.

 
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Actually, the correct term is CMP. And yes, they operate with a magnetic signal- it's called a Hall-effect switch.

 
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Three different terms for one sensor... interesting thanks laz... Hopefully Josh has calmed down a bit by now and is ready to replace his timing belt

 
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holy C... g'lucky, buddy... doing that twice will surely be a pain...

 
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Officially gave up at about 6PM..

Had the timing belt changed in 3 hours, spent another 3 trying to figure out why she wouldn't start..

Almost like she's getting no spark, but the sound is REALLY throwing me off, simply because I've never heard it before. It sounds like all that's happening is the starter motor turning, and that's it.

Fuel's getting there, made evident by the wet spark plugs when I pulled 'em. New plugs, new coils, no spark still, and now it's throwing a crankshaft position sensor malfunction. I'm throwing in the towel and sending it to my dad's mechanic.



After a day of having only 2 Pop Tarts, a bottle of water, a single breadstick from Little Caesar's, and hopefully not a broken hand (long story... Cliffs notes: to keep from knocking out my dad, I punched a wooden cabinet door), I'm officially done.

 
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Sounds like the starter is spinning but, not engaging. Check the starter solenoid. Also make sure all the teeth are on the starter and flywheel. Good luck bro, patience.

 
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It's on a flatbed right now, being towed to my dad's friend's shop.

The belts do move when you crank the engine, so it's engaging. Timing did slip by like.. 15 teeth when the belt got partially eaten.

 
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If the timing slipped by that much ... you need a compression test I'm going to remove my valve cover next week and make sure everythign is okay.. but its been like 20k miles since ive done my HG.

 
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I ruled out a complete loss of compression because I was hoping it wasn't the case.. lol.. Wishful thinking, if you will..

However, that was the first thing my dad's mechanic said it was when he asked me to crank the engine

I saw a '99 MR2 @ the honda dealer for a couple grand.. thoughts? lol

 
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MR2's are nice, but remember that they are a handful is terms of oversteering. mid-ship are trick. and trunk is tiny... and just 2 seats. (seems me describing the miata, except for oversteer...)
So, time to reassemble the other engine?

 
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nah.. I'll leave it up to my dad's mechanic.. Quoted at $700 for parts and labor, assuming an overhaul is necessary. I'm not complaining.

Guess it's time to search for a K20... lol

I can deal with oversteer. Just motivation to get into drifting, right? hahahaha..

 
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You damn well better keep your car or I'm going to drive to vegas and kick your ***.

 
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I've already decided that my next car's gonna be an Audi S5.. haha

 
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whats your master plan? K20, stick with d17?

Oh gosh theres some spoilt dudes on campus and all the do is drive around during events in a convertible S5 their parents bought em. they look like they just came from Jersey Shore know what im sayin. Anytime I pass by them looking for parking I blast my subs lol. Great looking ride nevertheless.

 
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I dunno. I'd like to K20 it, but I can't justify dropping 6 grand into it anymore. I was thinking about a stage 1 cam, but I don't know about that anymore. I just want to have a working car at this point.

 
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MY buddy has a freshly rebuilt Chevy 4.3L V-6 including forged internals, mild cam, supercharger, harness, computer, and 6-speed out of a Camaro for $1000. Just an idea. lol

 
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Lol, I dunno, with gas doing what it's doing, I kinda wanna keep my civic, even though she's being a pain in the ***.

 
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A k20 isn't worthwhile unless you have money to burn or you find a really good deal on a complete swap, just my thoughts.

 
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Yeah. I had 2 guys this week wanna trade for their truck. NO WAY MAN!

 
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haha.. What's gas at in TX right now? I just paid 60 bucks to fill my aunt's accord up with regular x_X