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Old Jan 7, 2004
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its time to change my rear drum brake, havent change since i got the civic. 31K miles!
so, anyone know do i needed to resurfacing on rear? also any recommended brake pad or shop i can find?

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31k is actually pretty early to be changing the rear shoes, but if you're positive they need changed- You should always resurface rotors/drums when you put new pads on to get a fresh contact surface for the new pads/shoes, Zzyzx recommends Porterfield pads/shoes, and I would recommend DIY because it's more time consuming than difficult.
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With 31k, I dont think you need to resurface the disks/drums just yet. I just changed my front pads a few thousand miles ago, but the back pads were fine. Unless you are changing from the honda pads, you can just change the front ones. I changed the pads my self. Like sickboy said, its not hard, just time consuming.
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Should resurface drums or rotors when you change pads or shoes. As for DIY? I would only recomend this if you are confident that you can do it correctly. They are easy to do but failure to do them properly After all they are your brakes! I too would be surprised they need replaced at 31k miles. You may want to get a second opinion if a repair shop recomended they get replaced.
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if i put on aftermarket or non brand name, does it will make any noise? or get the OEM brake shoes?

thanks everyone's advices.........
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My experience with several other cars and cheap aftermarket shoes was more noise so I would go with OEM if it were me. Once again, are you positive you need new rear shoes already???
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last time i checked about 20% or less at month ago,........
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20% left seems awfully fast for rear brakes at 31k.

Even if you mash on your brakes all the time, most of the wear would be on the front, not the back.
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If you do decide to replace them i have had good experince with raybestos brand brakes
here is there web site They usually are more $$$ than alot of the brands out there. But im a firm believer that you get what you pay for.
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Stupid double post./..

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Porterfields... Straight up .... I have the R4-S compound

I am absolutly loving mine, Been flying through the hills left foot braking in the corners... Lovin it.

They are a carbon Kevlar compound and I have found 2 things about them...

1. They are a bit noisier (not squealie but you hear them working)
2. Carbon Kevlar pads smell funny when they get hot. And I mean Really hot (way past what the stock pads could handle).

I forget what the price was exactly, I think $74 for the front and 80 for the rear??? not quite sure on that.


Only thing I have left to change is the brake fluid, stock honda fluid leaves much to be desired, and Boiling the brake fluid is not fun (going to ATE Super Blue)
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do you need to take any pre-cautions if you're changing the pads on your car and the car has abs?
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Originally posted by Da1lyDr1ver
do you need to take any pre-cautions if you're changing the pads on your car and the car has abs?

not really, as long as you dont damage any of the speed sensors for the ABS. But thats prette easy because they arnt attached to the brakes but rather the hub.

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my rear drums where good at like 40k when i upgraded to discs in the back
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oky, i checked that honda service report, heres wat is left on brake pad.

front brake 8.0m
rear brake 4.0m
tire wear 9/32
battery 10.5v

i asked that service advisor, he told me that about 20% on rear. is that true....4.0m out of 10m?

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ummm 4.0mm out of 10mm is 40 percent
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yeh, dont know if stock rear pad out of 10mm or 8mm......i guess
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you shouldnt ever have to resurface the rear drums. I recently had a problem with my rear brakes. Every time I would brake I would hear this really bad screeching noise from the rear. Turns out I needed new drums, even though I only had 49,000 miles on my car. The reason I needed new drums was because at the last 2 brakes jobs I had they resurfaced the drums. Ever dealer I have talked to said that they hardly ever resurface them. The only thing needing resurfacing is the rotors. On our cars, most of the braking is done in the front. The rear brakes only account for like 30% of the braking.
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also never get a brake job at honda. I was quoted about $530 for replacing the rear drums, and replacing the brake pads and shoes. The drums were like $70 each, the pads were about $50 and the shoes were like $40. The rest was all labor. Honda dealers are a rippoff when it comes to auto repairs. I went to another shop and got new rotors, new drums and new pads and shoes and labor was $285. Havent had a problem since.
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Well i will have to disagree with you on the never resurface the drums part. Thats like would you install new pistons in an engine without machining the bore? To insure max wear and even wear they need to be machined to a true surface. With todays cars being made so light its not uncommon to have to replace drums and rotors regularly because they make them so thin to begin with. Ive replaced MANY rotors and drums on cars that never went metal to metal and was the first set of brakes! They just plain ware out! So if you get 2 machinings out of some cars your doing real good.
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one other thing that people forget is to shave the new shoes to match the arc of the drum... not some thing you need to do with a rotor and pad.

one other thing about the Porterfields... They were cut perfectly.
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Good point on the arcing of the brake shoes. I didnt mention cause i dont know of any shops that still even do that anymore. Well at least around here they dont. In fact the last brake shoe arcing tool i seen was at an auction and it was like 50 years old i bet. Im not sure i guess they may still do it on big semi trucks but im not for certain as i never really got into semi repair
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