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If money is an issue, keep the wrenches in the toolbox, hehe.

 
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itf its your daily driver, stick with D17. And if you're on a budget, stick with D17 again.
I have a k20a swap for a year now and i'm still fixing the bugs. Its ridiculous... I've estimated that i've spent about another 2K just on parts and labor for fixing the bugs, from PS rack to clutch master cylinder.
If i could go back I wouldn't do it to my daily driver. Learn from other ppl's mistake.
Best part about working with a D17 boosted is that you can just take off the turbo kit and part out.

If anyone says turboed cars are less reliable than swapped i say not true and thats not always the case. If you do it right you won't have problems. My celica gt-s was turbo'd at 35K miles, and I sold it with 120K miles. Never had major issues with it. With turbo, sky is the limit.

 
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Very well stated, i couldn't agree more.

 
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thanks for clearing up my problem to. I was stuck between the two but after hearing kassiimmm i think I will go with the dezod turbo kit with p&p head....i think i remmeber reading the kit with just that was about 200whp with a good tune on an auto. Correct me if im wrong but thats a good deal, you'd be running with k20 swaps even with their basic mods.

 
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^^^ if ur tranny doesn't crap out on you... out auto tranny's suck massive ***** man..

 
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can't you buy a kit out there somewhere i forget the name but it is a rebuild to make our tranny alot stronger to hold up to the abuse of a turbo. i know it wasnt cheap but least that wouldnt be an issue anymore

 
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i wanna say TCI.. but i dunno... but id use the auto till it crap, and get a manual

 
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well it all depends on how serious u are going to get. my mechanic told me that D17 engines really dont have a lot of power to them. Throwing a turbo with low boost (6-8) would be nice but a k20 has a lot more power. not to mention a k20 can run high hp all na. So if it were me i would swap. Once you go turbo you hafta upgrade a lot of stuff as well. U just cant buy a turbo kit and expect for everything to fit right on.

 
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revived?

 
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from the muthaf*ckin grave....

this topic makes me sick. i was curious at first...but gee-zus....this is getting OOLLLDDD!!!

 
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hmmm.. interesting... lol

 
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Double posted.

 
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Wrong. At 8 psi, I made about 220-ish whp. Show me a stock n/a k20 swap that can outrun me. Not gonna happen.

 
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My God!

 
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I can show you a k20a swap with pretty much Needed parts to get it running good.. such as K-pro.. exhaust, header, intake that has 237whp.


here is a good breakdown... which do you want? 1 lobe of VTEC of 4?

 
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Re-read what I said. STOCK k20, just bolt ons. You talk ecu upgrades and more money into the build, I talk more boost and smoke that 237whp k20. In fact, with a basic setup, I can run 13 psi all day long and make about 280-ish wheel and smoke a more heavily modded n/a rsx. Depends on the mods. Bottom line, power costs money. It is much more cost effective to pull power from a d17 instead of paying to swap in a k20 and make it fast.

Hell, I'll give you n/a bolt ons. Exhaust, header, intake, I'll still outrun it at 8 psi.

 
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^^ wow..... u know as long as ive been here.. people have been saying that the cost to benefit ratio of a boosted d17 was way less then that of a swapped k. ur the first person ive seen to actually say thats wrong and...have proof.. touché

 
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Look at it this way. Spend no less than 4k on a swap when its all said and done. This is a basic swap. No real power. You need kpro. You can run kpro on the d17 for the same price. Boost a d17 with a kit for 3k plus maybe another 300 for injectors. You have a full turbo kit. Tune it (still will cost to have a k20 tuned on kpro, just the same) and you have way more power and potential with a d17. Depending on your turbo setup and its capabilities, another 600 for cam and spring/retainer kit and you've got even more potential.

You can realistically make 300 whp with:
kpro-1200
dezod turbo kit-3k
injectors-300
cam/springs & retainers-600
tuning-600-800 (depending on your tuner's charges and what map you start with, etc.)

So that's 300 whp+ for under 6k

Show me anyone who's swapped a k20 into an em2 and broken that mark with 6k....

 
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300 whp **** on stock rods,yea for maybe a day or a week tops!These stock rods cannot handle that much horsepower no way u look at it!And all i have heard about ur car andyman is that its a piece!Now look at like the cars that really run auto x and actualy get driven thats a real built car that can actually run!over and over All u people on this site just think because u are making 300 plus horsepower u are god,well check it out real car legends are not on the web all day bragging there *** off day after day about the one car they have buit!

 
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yeah... but i like my Air conditioning!

hehe im just messing with ya man... but i have never looked at it that way.

But what would you say to Boosting an auto D17, or swapping to a manual k20?? See this is the debate i run with myself...

 
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Ok, you clearly have no clue as to what you're talking about. You've heard my car's a piece? Well, let me tell you something. You have a few options in this game, 1) Pay through the nose for someone to do your work for you and not learn a damned thing about motors and mechanic work 2) Have a slow piece that runs all the time and makes no power. 3) Do it yourself and push as far as you can because you love it while you learn something. Come see my car for yourself and go for a ride, then tell me its a piece.

I have been driving on a STOCK bottom end for the past 4 months, driving hard the whole time and my rods are still in tact. So are my pistons. Haven't had a single maintenance issue with it. And you think this is the only car I've built, you're wrong, you don't know me, you don't know what I've built so why don't you STFU, n00b.

 
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can i be the first to say "OWNAGE!!"

andyman is a he knows his stuff... read up

 
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im into my K24 build just shy of 5g.. I'll run you.

 
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Everyone has different tastes, do what suits you. I happen to like single cams for their simplicity. I have build tons of cars, engines, bikes, etc. Many different varieties. I also own an RSX-s, stock. My old stock D17 setup on 6-7 psi stage 1 clutch, and a crower cam would destroy the RSX by almost a full second in the quarter. Mind you if I put equal mods on the RSX it would probably make 100HP more and it would take things the other way. My question is this, why not buy a nice used rsx for like 10k instead of going through the work of swapping a civic. If we are taking cost effectiveness with K20s that would be the best bet IMO.

 
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What have you done with it? N/A? Let's do it. Too bad your in socal and it will never happen....

^I agree Gery, that's what I'd do if I was gonna do it.

 
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I got ur ownage hangin !alpha 5 u wanna talk **** to me with ur 4x4 4door ricer hood piece of shiaaattt! about being able to run 300whp on stock rods ur trippin u dont know **** about anything!show proof or shut the **** up with ur stories and bullshit!And anyone who says andyman is a pimp,yea ur pimp maybe lil ***!Grow up and run ur cars dont talk about them!Go to the track and prove what the **** u say!Timeslips are all that matters nothing else!

 
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Damn dude you need to relax.

 
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im relaxed just stating the truth!

 
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dude before u get your bright red panties in a bunch y dont u just sit back, and get your info straight before u go pointing fingers posting like a thirteen y/o kid who just got his feelings hurt because someone called him a noob. look here

https://www.civicforums.com/forums/7...no-inside.html
and here for his engine
https://www.civicforums.com/forums/4...-id-share.html
and here
https://www.civicforums.com/forums/4...1-current.html
he flat out sez what he does... GAH!
Also for your non reading NOOB eyes heres where he posted about his old time only at 250whp i believe
https://www.civicforums.com/forums/6...3-8-104-a.html

Quit being such a jerk and grow up man!

Anyone that can hit 300+ on a motor that only dynos at like 100whp stock, pimp in my book, much respect to ya andyman

 
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k24 n/a?
With my updated motor, I'll probably smoke you too.